Just read an interesting article on the new generation F-150 due out next year. They are putting in the 6.4L Power Stroke Diesel into the F-150 rated at 350hp & 650tq. Not officially the next Lightning but what a great platform to build a performance truck. Ford big future push is toward diesel powered cars and trucks. So what better way to showcase the potential than with a performance oriented diesel rig. We have all seen what the Power Stroke guys are currently doing with their rigs now. That same power in a lighter 1/2 ton truck would be a kick.

 

Sounds cool. Post up a link if you have it.

 

Might trade my truck for a diesel f150. Since I always wanted a flareside I bought a f-150 instead of a f-250.

 

I'd like to see them try to shove a 6.4 into an F150.

Not saying it's not possible... but I'd like to see it.

 

It's the next Gen F-150. New truck out in 2008 the diesel by 2010.

 

I was under the impression that the new diesel for the F150 would be in the 4.4L range as far as size goes, besides from what I heard the new 6.4L is a real dog in the superduties.

 

The previous engine in the Superduty was a lemon and you are saying that the current one is a dog. Ford is suing International for 1 billion for warranty claims and now International is trying to make a deal with Toyota. Isuzu who build the Duramax has also partnered with Nissan for the Diesel.

Looks like Ford and GM are getting the shaft all the way around...

 

That's what I've been hearing too.

Still.. a hopped up 4.4 litre diesel in a half ton would be pretty quick.

 

Let me clarify, my understanding with the new diesels isn't manufacturing. It is the new emissions standards that are seriously retarding all diesels, so all the old ways of getting more out of a diesel cannot be used at least the majority. For example instead of complete exhaust systems, you can only do catbacks because changing cats can potentially shutdown the management system.

 

Speaking of diesel hotrods, check out the performance and fuel economy of this one...

http://www.trident-vehicles.co.uk/in...id=28&Itemid=1

 

Yes sir. They have ATD's (aftertreatment devices). You can't even change the tailpipe without messing with an emmisions device. The tailpipe itself is considered an emmisions device from what I hear. Take a look they all have funky tailpipes now. As well as a cat you have a particulate filter too. I think in order to do serious performance gains you would have to ditch all that and reprogram the computer to not look at it. Any excessive soot is just going to clog the particulate filter.

 

Good! I absolutely hate those diesels spewing all that black smoke. Not impressed at all.

With all the technology today, you can be fast but still be clean and fuel efficient. For ex. a Z0-6 is one of the cleanest engines on the market, is insanely fast but still delivers close to 30mpg. That's impressive.

A Viper uses more than twice the amount of fuel to generate the same power. Obviously low tech and totally unnecessary. That POS should be banned IMO.

 

"Warrenville, IL (June 6, 2007)

Navistar International Corporation (Other OTC: NAVZ) announced today that it has filed a lawsuit against Ford Motor Company for breach of contract relating to a diesel engine contract involving the Ford F-150 pickup truck and is seeking damages. The suit, filed in the Circuit Court of Cook County, Ill., seeks “at least hundreds of millions of dollars.”

Navistar believes that Ford intends to introduce a new diesel engine that actually was designed by International Truck and Engine Corporation, Navistar’s principal operating company.

According to the lawsuit, Ford is developing a 4.4 liter diesel engine for production in North America by late 2009 or 2010 or possibly earlier and intends to produce the engine itself for use in the F-150, and possibly other vehicles. The lawsuit states that Ford cannot do that without violating its contract with Navistar. Reportedly, Ford is considering producing V8 diesel engines at a Ford facility in Chihuahua, Mexico.

The lawsuit states that International spent millions of dollars and devoted years of its employees’ time to develop a next generation diesel engine named “Lion” for use in vehicles including the F-150 pickup trucks in which Ford had not previously offered diesel engines. Ford agreed that International, which has been the exclusive diesel engine supplier for Ford’s heavy-duty pickup trucks since 1979, would manufacture the new diesel engines for Ford in North America.

The lawsuit, filed June 4, is separate from previously reported litigation between the two companies. Earlier this year, Ford filed a lawsuit against Navistar involving 2007 engine pricing and prior period warranty claims on Power Stroke® diesel engines. Navistar counter-sued, stating that pricing is consistent with contractual agreements, that the warranty claims are entirely without merit and that Ford has stopped honoring the terms of an agreement under which engines were built. Navistar amended its counter-complaint on May 2 and asked for in excess of $2 billion in damages.

International’s operating company recently launched a new 6.4L Power Stroke® diesel engine for Ford that meets 2007 emissions standards while increasing performance, durability and fuel economy."

 

Looks like the war with International is just beginning. Most likely, Toyota will end up with the engines that were intended for Ford. Toyota must love what is going on which is playing right into thier hands. They wiped out the Taurus and the mission now is the F-150. If they succeed, Ford is history.

 

The new 6.4L makes 411rwhp/717rwtq with a programmer and runs mid 14 second ET's. With the new off road setup's, they will be hitting near 500rwhp with bolt on's.