Here are a few pics of what my lightning looks like without an interior,getting ready for a roll cage to go in.Hope they turn out!!

 

Hope you remember where all the pieces go!!!

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Leave it all out, prop up the steering wheel with some sticks, and sit on a campstool. Talk about some MAJOR weight savings for the track!

DUCK

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November 18, 1999 We will not forget.
The fallen 12 will live in our hearts forever.
Fightin' Texas Aggie Bonfire 1999

 

Whassuppp? That is what I call attention to detail! Ruslow...you gonna make a Hummer outta that thang? Its looking more Hummer like by the minute...

 

Go put some dynomatt in there and then coating with some rubberized undercoating(3m or dynomat stuff)!! Just a thought

 

thats kool looking. wazzzzzzzzzzzz upppppppppp

 

HI!... RUSLOW : I hope your getting a custom bent roll cage done and not one of thos "TACKY" bolt in ones. Just my opinion. Go with chrome moly tubing if you can, it's a lot lighter than regular steel tubing and twice as strong. If it were my "L" I would go with a 12 point cage myself. How many point cage are you doing. I had a 12 point chrome moly cage custom bent for my PRO STREET RANGER last year. turned out real nice. If you can try to avoid the 6 inch by 6 inch plate bolted to the floor sheet metal to weld the tubing to. Our trucks are heavy and if you get into a roll over at the track or on the street (HEAVEN FORBID!) those plates will push right through the floor. Trust me I have seen it done many times. If you can take some 2 inch square box tubing and get your chassis guy to weld it from your frame to the back of your rocker panel. This will give you a stable spot to weld your tubing to. If you go chrome moly make sure it is all TIG welded because that is what is called for in the NHRA rulebook. Some tracks will also ask you to get your roll cages certified if you are running 11.99E.T or quicker. Hope this helps you out and if you have any questions feel free to ask.

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NEAL " THE H.P FREAK"
'99' F-150 XLT SPORT, oxford white, reg cab shortbox stepside,5.4, auto, 4.10L.S, captain's chairs, bedliner, GTS carbon fiber headlight covers, ***** CEPECK clear halogen driving lights, GTS slotted tailight covers (painted oxford white), fiberglass smooth wiper cowl (painted OXFORD WHITE), FORD locking lug nuts, tinted windows,true duel exhaust with 2.5 inch mandrel bent pipes and FLOWMASTER 3 chamber mufflers with 3' tailpipes exiting before the rear wheel like the LIGHTNING, HELLWIG rear stabalizer bar, 3 AUTOMETER guage pods, filled with tranny temp, engine temp, and oil preasure AUTOMETER "PHANTOM" guages,custom fabricated air intake trac and huge K/N filter, TPS mod, BELLTECH 2-inch rear drop, custom programed SUPERCHIP, BAUMANN ENGINEERING shift kit (on stage 5 setting)BYPASS CLUTCH CONTROL VALVE/PREASURE REGULATOR VALVE, ASP POWER PULLEYS, custom tig welded and ported JBA "JET BLACK coated headers, twin DERALE 16 INCH ELECTRIC FANS, PERMA COOL 14"/10" tranny cooler with 10" electric fan, custom ported (STOCK) throttle body, custom digital air intake temp sensor, custom ported TB intake elbow, relocated ATS.


FUTURE MODS : FORD SVT 24LB INJECTORS, CUSTOM SUPERCHIP FLIP-CHIP, BBK 75MM THROTTLE BODY, 80MM PRO-M MASS AIR METER, AADI F1 RAM AIR HOOD WITH CUSTOM FABRICATED RAM AIR SET-UP, CAL-TRAC TRACTION BARS, EXTRUDE HONED INTAKE MANIFOLD, SHM CUSTOM FUEL RAILS, SHM "RACE WATER PUMP, 90/10 FRONT CE SHOCKS, 70/30 REAR CE SHOCKS, BELL TECH 2/4 DROP, EXPEDITION CENTER CONSOLE, HARLEY DAVISON F-150, LOWER FRONT VALANCE (painted oxford white) and a KENNE BELL BLOWZILLA SUPERCHARGER.

ESTIMATED H.P TO DATE : 330H.P / 425ft/lbs of torque.

CURRENT PERFORMANCE : 1/4 MILE - 14.53E.T * MPH - 93.00 * 0-60MPH - 5.8 * 1/8 MILE - 9.2 * 60 FT - 2.0

OTHER TOYS : "83" PRO STREET FORD RANGER : 351-w stroked to 408c.i 625H.P (natural), 875H.P with 250H.P "BIG SHOT" N.O.S kit, tubbed (crome moly tubing), 12 point chrome moly roll cage, 4-link with coil overs, MUSTANG II front suspension, c-4 tranny (race prepped), 4000rpm stall converter(8 INCH), 3" chrome moly driveshaft,AUTOMETER guages, 15.50 MICKEY THOMPSON rear tires, 4" M/T front tires, CENTERLINE CON-VO PRO rims, fiberglass hood - bumper - prostock hood scoop, wishbone trac-link, two chrome moly driveshaft loops, 16 gallon RCI fuel cell,etc

 

Sorry Neal but chrome-moly steel is not lighter than mild steel. Not unless you are using thinner walled tubing. Yes it is stronger but not practicle for roll cages. Not unless you know a good metalurgist and happen to have a heat treat/annealing ovens. Just my .02. Have built many Trans-Am/Gt chassis and never used chrome-moly in the cages.

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2000 Silver Lightning 13.82 (stock)
PSP 4-way
PSP Filter Kit
Snug-Lid
In the works:
PSP Pulley
Level 10 shift kit
Level 10 converter
4-Link
2000 Mercedes ML430 16.01 (stock)
1996 Donzi Z-33 (Twin 502's)81mph
In the works Muzzy ZX12-R 200++ mph 9.94 (stock)

 

Silver-Bolt!!
What are you talking about???? Chrome-moly is lighter than mild steel due to the fact that you are able to use thinner wall tubing. What makes you think it is not praticle for roll cages?????? Chrome-moly happens to be the mandatory requirement for all roll cages wanting to meet anyone with any kind of real horse power! Like a 300+MPH Top Fuel Dragster, 1300+HP Pro Street car or anything else with some real HP. Motorsports sanctioning bodies such as NHRA, NMCA, NMMRA,IRHA, NASCAR, ARCA, SSCA... and so on.... mandate chome-moly for chassis fabrication!!!!! And you do not have to have a good metalurgist or have a heat treat/annealing ovens. As far as you never using chrome-moly for your Trans-Am/Gt chassis? Well I hope the fools that you built them for do not crash and burn! I apologize for my rudeness but I just can not stand it when someone offers their opinion on something they nothing about. Neal, everything you mentioned is right!!!!




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I think Silver-bolt is talking about the weld area cracking under stress if not done properly, i.e. with heat treating.

But does that mean that everyone with a simple welded moly cage is gonna die in an accident?!

I'm confused...

-Dreamin
'00 L
'93 Mazduh - Chromemoly rollbar

[This message has been edited by DreaminAboutL (edited 02-11-2001).]

 

You are correct that thinner wall tubing would be lighter. I am refering to same thickness. As far as construction goes unless you are VERY skilled you are in danger of making the material brittle. It is not as forgiving as other materials. Grab your self a copy of the latest SCCA or better yet FIA or NASCAR rule books. Unless the rules have changed from last year there is no mandate for chrome-moly in the cages. I completely agree with you on the strength of the material. I do however disagree with you as to the application. Frame rails yes, cages noway. Now I am not talking about general purpose tubing. I am refering to cold rolled seamless tubing. As far as the chassis I have built they all have be very competitive cars top 5 in T/A and several divisional champs in GT1. This is not some back yard hack shop. The cars are completely computer designed. Solids modeling and stress analisis done before any metal is cut. We have the ability to do stress analisis testing on various materials. And yes I have had the unfortunate experience of seeing 2 of the cars destroyed. Both drivers walked away uninjured. I would never build anything that was a compromise in the safety of the driver. My point is that different applications require different materials.

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2000 Silver Lightning 13.82 (stock)
PSP 4-way
PSP Filter Kit
Snug-Lid
In the works:
PSP Pulley
Level 10 shift kit
Level 10 converter
4-Link
2000 Mercedes ML430 16.01 (stock)
1996 Donzi Z-33 (Twin 502's)81mph
In the works Muzzy ZX12-R 200++ mph 9.94 (stock)

 

HI!... I'm not trying to start a flame here or anything but all I can say is that I would never drive a 11.99E.T or faster "DRAGCAR" with out a chrome moly tubing roll cage. My chassis builder told me that you can go thinner wall thickness on chrome moly tubing because it will be just as strong or even stronger in some instances than way thicker plain steel tubing. The NHRA demands that all chrome moly cages be welded with TIG welding only, not ARC or MIG. Our dragstrips around here are very strict on this. That's why they want you to sonic test the wall thickness of the tubing when getting the cage certified. It might be different rules for NASCAR but in dragracing that's the rules. Pick up a NHRA rulebook and read it.

By the way my chrome moly tubing on my RANGER's 12 point roll cage is seamless and weighs almost 45LBS less than a steel 12 point roll cage.

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NEAL " THE H.P FREAK"
'99' F-150 XLT SPORT, oxford white, reg cab shortbox stepside,5.4, auto, 4.10L.S, captain's chairs, bedliner, GTS carbon fiber headlight covers, ***** CEPECK clear halogen driving lights, GTS slotted tailight covers (painted oxford white), fiberglass smooth wiper cowl (painted OXFORD WHITE), FORD locking lug nuts, tinted windows,true duel exhaust with 2.5 inch mandrel bent pipes and FLOWMASTER 3 chamber mufflers with 3' tailpipes exiting before the rear wheel like the LIGHTNING, HELLWIG rear stabalizer bar, 3 AUTOMETER guage pods, filled with tranny temp, engine temp, and oil preasure AUTOMETER "PHANTOM" guages,custom fabricated air intake trac and huge K/N filter, TPS mod, BELLTECH 2-inch rear drop, custom programed SUPERCHIP, BAUMANN ENGINEERING shift kit (on stage 5 setting)BYPASS CLUTCH CONTROL VALVE/PREASURE REGULATOR VALVE, ASP POWER PULLEYS, custom tig welded and ported JBA "JET BLACK coated headers, twin DERALE 16 INCH ELECTRIC FANS, PERMA COOL 14"/10" tranny cooler with 10" electric fan, custom ported (STOCK) throttle body, custom digital air intake temp sensor, custom ported TB intake elbow, relocated ATS.


FUTURE MODS : FORD SVT 24LB INJECTORS, CUSTOM SUPERCHIP FLIP-CHIP, BBK 75MM THROTTLE BODY, 80MM PRO-M MASS AIR METER, AADI F1 RAM AIR HOOD WITH CUSTOM FABRICATED RAM AIR SET-UP, CAL-TRAC TRACTION BARS, EXTRUDE HONED INTAKE MANIFOLD, SHM CUSTOM FUEL RAILS, SHM "RACE WATER PUMP, 90/10 FRONT CE SHOCKS, 70/30 REAR CE SHOCKS, BELL TECH 2/4 DROP, EXPEDITION CENTER CONSOLE, HARLEY DAVISON F-150, LOWER FRONT VALANCE (painted oxford white) and a KENNE BELL BLOWZILLA SUPERCHARGER.

ESTIMATED H.P TO DATE : 330H.P / 425ft/lbs of torque.

CURRENT PERFORMANCE : 1/4 MILE - 14.53E.T * MPH - 93.00 * 0-60MPH - 5.8 * 1/8 MILE - 9.2 * 60 FT - 2.0

OTHER TOYS : "83" PRO STREET FORD RANGER : 351-w stroked to 408c.i 625H.P (natural), 875H.P with 250H.P "BIG SHOT" N.O.S kit, tubbed (crome moly tubing), 12 point chrome moly roll cage, 4-link with coil overs, MUSTANG II front suspension, c-4 tranny (race prepped), 4000rpm stall converter(8 INCH), 3" chrome moly driveshaft,AUTOMETER guages, 15.50 MICKEY THOMPSON rear tires, 4" M/T front tires, CENTERLINE CON-VO PRO rims, fiberglass hood - bumper - prostock hood scoop, wishbone trac-link, two chrome moly driveshaft loops, 16 gallon RCI fuel cell,etc




[This message has been edited by Neal (edited 02-12-2001).]

 

I personally don't care if I save 45# the truck weight is almost 4700 now and the type of events I do the added weight cna be useful at keeping something a unareodymanic as these on the ground.Plus I have a hard enough time finding someone to do some of the speciality work that I require in the WHOLE USA let alone weld a moly cage correctly.I do plan on using floor plates but am also thinking of reinforcing to the frame.But will have to see when the inside is done as to what I NEED to do to the structure to get the greatest benefit from the added protection.
Finished to halo hoop and rear bar going to work on the forward bars and the door bars as soon as the time allows.Need to get to the machine shop for them to Wire EDM a few items for the cage.
The tubing that I am using is 2" DOM .120,to bend it I weigh 180# and I HAD to use a 6' bar to bend it on a JD squared bender.Think it will be strong enough for a vehicle traveling 175 to 180,and weighing 4700#?