Not a Macintosh user in the group?

Hey, I do graphics, 3d,etc. IF that's what you do then the Mac is for you.

Get one of the new G4's 733 with 133bus and the super drive which reads and burns both cd and DVD.

Blows away a 1.5 Ghz Pentium by half as much. Power to burn.
Power to burn cds
Power to bur dvds
Power to burn Pentiums

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If you are looking for cutting edge graphics performance with the latest and greatest video board the pentium IV is superior to the AMD's. If you don't care about getting the fastest frames per second while playing games then the thunderbird or athelon will save you considerable $$$. Dell, Micron, IBM
and Gateway all build good machines, though Dell always ranks higher in customer satisfaction and service. Hope this helps.

Mark