I know alot of guys have been screaming about dyno number lately and others say just give me E.T. time. BUT check out the article in nov.2000 Mustangs and Fast Fords. some probably have read it but it goes like this.
dyno stock truck=323hp 410 torque
dyno R7 superchip=337hp =14hp
dyno Pro-M only=346hp =23hp
dyno chip and Pro-M and you got 376.9hp 439.5 torque between 3500 and 4100rpm
thats 442hp at flywheel
don't ask me how they got 53hp when they combined the two but there are "THE DYNO" numbers.now I just have to figure out why our superchip distributor does not recommend a pro-m and recommends airaid???

 

This is just a guess about your? They could recomend airraid becuase it wont cause the detination with the stock r9 program that superchip haspreburnt to there chips to send out. If you have a pro M they have to recalibrate the chip for detination issues. Maybe???

 

Mike Troyer can correct me if I'm wrong, but he told me that the ProM was not consistent in the kind of air/fuel ratios it would generate, and that if you got one at the lean end of the spectrum and ran it with a stock Superchip it might result in such a lean mixture that you could melt a piston. I elected to have Danny Swanson install a ProM and dyno tune my truck with the chip installed. He says that the a/f ratio is 12.4 to one, which is leaner than Mike recommends. All I know is that it made the truck ungodly fast, now I have to figure out how to get it to hook up.

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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

'84 Alan Record Carbonio, Aerospoke wheels, Campy brakes.
'00 SVT Lightning, silver, G-tech Pro, JBA headers, cam bolts, 4.10 gears,
Swanson's chip, Pro-M, carbon drive shaft.
2001 Kevlacat 2400, twin 115 Evinrude FICHT, Raytheon VHF, radar, autopilot and GPS chartplotter/fishfinder.

gmvye@pacbell.net

 

alphadoggy,

You really went the correct way of getting a chip. There are 2 plus factors here 1)it is a Danny Swanson's chip 2)it was burned/tuned by Danny via his dyno.

I have one of Danny's chips and am pleased with it, however I wish I lived closer to have Danny tune via his dyno. Living in southeast Texas and him being in the general Los Angeles area is a bit to far to drive for me right now, hmmmmmm vacation next year, my other half never been to California, what a novel thought.

I also have 2 other chips an R9 from Superchips and one from Houston Performance that was tuned on their dyno. Each have their good points and better points. Danny's chip makes power(356HP & 422Torque)and 1 to 2 shift wants to go sideways kicks butt, the R9 makes power in the lower RPM(HP & Torque not know yet)range it is nice and smokes the tires well and the Houston Performance chip makes power(361HP & 442Torque) with stock shifting.

Which one do I like best? Ready for this... ALL OF THEM!!!! I have the best of everything. When I get bored I switch chips. Now if I could just get all three burned into one chip it would save me time of having to change them out.

By the way I do have a Pro-M 80MM MAF and it too makes power by itself. Matter of fact I bought it from Danny. He called me to let me know that I needed to send his chip back so he could reburn it for the Pro-M. That's service....

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John Armstrong
2000 Red Lightning


[This message has been edited by jarmstro (edited 10-19-2000).]

 

frank2

376 (final #)
-323 (stock #)
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=53

They are showing us that the two combined are worth more than the sum of the individual gains.

Not trying to be a smart a$$ or anything, just explaing the #'s.

 

Red: I'm not saying that I believe everything MM&FF says blindly (and I have that mag at my house right now), but it is possible that one mod works better with the other. For example, if the chip produces "x" amount of hp/tq gains alone, and the pro-m makes "y" additional power by itself, its possible that theres a feedback effect with the combo, and together they make more than the each seperately [(x*y) instead of (x+y)]. Like I said, I don't know if this holds true with mods, but we deal with theories like this all the time in some of my fire protection grad classes. That guy that made that nasty NOVI mod to his L under the heading "calling BABolt" was talking about similar things. Check it out. Later...

Garrett

 

trying to get numbers off a dyno for a PRO-M is like trying to get dyno numbers for a ram air system. Since there is no air flowing because you are standing still the test is worthless when trying to determine performnce.
noelvm

 

Let the flames begin. I think that is kind of a ridiculous statement. Unless you have a functional ram air system, there will be little if any air flow gains through a MAF than at standstill. So I would think that the dyno figures would be reasonably valid. But geez, on the other hand, if Noel is right, since I only gained 48 h.p. on the dyno standing still, I must be gaining about a zillion h.p. at speed. If feels like it, anyway.

 

Hi guys
The key word is synergy (working together,combined action or operation). What you will sometimes see when making modifications is maybe no change with one or even two mods but when a third is added everthing seems to come alive. This may sound strange but many times the whole is greater than the sum of it parts and I have seen this many times when making changes. In regards to the Pro-M I tested it by itself and only made 9.5 horsepower. Initially in a hurry to test the meter I failed to remove the plastic wrapper and just killed the horsepower. Just one of those bonehead plays. Also subsequent tests of the Pro-M have shown a lot more horsepower when used with a chip programmed for the transfer function. Same is true with headers, not much of a gain when there is no other modifications but with the freeing up of the intake tract the headers start to do their job.

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BABolt
SVT#290



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Ummm, I'm to lazy to go get my magazine out of the bathroom, but didn't it say they iced the intake for the final dyno run? They didn't do that for the other two runs. That could fudge the figures considerably.