I am looking for a chip for my new Lightning.
I want the best possible chip I can get. It seems most of our discussions here end up as a personality contest between Mike and Sal. Let's discuss the important issues and get the facts straight.
#1 - 2000 L has CUX2 computer which requires different chip than 99.5 CUX1
#2 - Dyno testing has shown that the program for the 2000 is different than the 99.5
#3 - On the basis of #1 and #2 being correct,
the CUX2 programs have been rewritten based on dyno testing with 00L's?
#4 - The key differences in programming between Superchips and PSP is in the timing, fuel, wot shift points, rev. limit.
Based on these points, and the fact that we can custom order any spec's we want from either source, what are the optimum ordering parameters?
A- Timing (should there be a different program for different qualities of gas? I.E.
California 92 octane MTBE vs. East coasts 93 octane real gas?
B- WOT shift point? 5500,5600,5700 RPM's??
C- Rev Limit 5700,6000 RPM's??
D- Should we order 2 program chip or 4 program chip? Should that chip have stock and high performance, or semi-high performance and super-high performance?
Let's figure this on out for ourselves, and hopefully get the 2 chip suppliers to respond with some technical data to help us make our decisions. As a side note, I have not seen any posts for 2000L's with a chip/filter talking track times.

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Paul
2000BlkLightning (born 4/17/00)
98RamAirTransAm (for sale)
98Expedition
99VictoryV92C
99ATK605E

 

Well I dont have a 00 or a chip for that matter, but i will get a chip and it will be Sals. Im chossing Sals because superchips are haveing problems this can be found out by just reading the threads on the forum. I have sals filter induction and it is great. I would personal go with sals but this thread will problem turn into another who likes who thread.

 

PLEASE - Let's stick with the facts. We are not interested in yet another personality contest between Mike and Sal, and what happened last year.

 

Seeing I have gotten one of the best times with Chip/Filter combo.....This is what I believe.

1.Regardless of dyno results,I believe at the track,The shift points should be set at 5600 due to momentum.My time proves this.

2.I believe only in winter months southern guys are having problems with detonation,I always have 94 oct available and never had it at all.

3.The only real problem i see so far is the 1-2 shift point.Their seems to be an invisible paramiter about shutting off boost.People who are shifting at 5400- under are not seeing this.I was when shifting at 5600.Other than that My truck while shifting at 5600 on 94 octane ran 13.2@104 also a 105 trap speed.

 

Lightningquick- If I understand correctly, you would like to see the 1-2 shift point moved to 5400, while the 2-3 shift point to be at 5600?

 

To me this would be the ultimate chip:
All shift points at 5600 rpm

chip burned for 104 octane(hot program)

rev limiter 6000 (out of the way)

Basically a RPM file superchip.This is what i had.My only problem was losing complete power after the 1-2 shift 50% of the time at WOT shifts.To this day,i still dont know how to fix it!

Other than losing boost,My old superchip was absolutly incredible!.If I could have one that works perfectly all the time I would be very happy.

 

FYI... I have had the Superchips RPM file for about a month now and to this day have not lost boost.

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99.5 F-150 SVT Lightning (Red)
SuperChip
PSP Filter Kit
Mobil 1
Clear Corners
Dual 40 Series Flowmasters
Window Tint
WetOkole Seat Covers
Snuglid
Chrome Lightning Wheels
Build Date 8-20-99
Build Number 3889 of 4000
1998 Honda ST1100
1998 Kawasaki Lakota 300

 

I think all of you are remiss in not considering Danny Swanson's chip. He personally owns a 2000 L. and has had a lot of opportunity to optimize it. I plan to get one as soon as I get the 4.10 installed. There are other good reasons to prefer that chip as well. You might want to check out http://www.swansonperformance.com/

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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

'84 Alan Record Carbonio, Aerospoke wheels, Campy brakes.
'00 SVT Lightning, silver, G-tech Pro, JBA headers

gmvye@pacbell.net

 

Hey Alpha, Sal here. All chips plug into the PCMs service port, and all chips require that you clean the PCMs pc board terminals. Danny's chip is no different than anyone else's in it's physical properties or how it works. The only thing that makes his different is that is was calibrated by him.

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SAL
13.209@104.3mph
Power Surge Performance 99 Lightning Chip and Filter Kit, full Bassani Exhaust, Nitto Extreme Drags
PowerSurgePerf@aol.com

 

Sal, since the pcm only has the 1-in 1-out, and the dealer would have to use the same port to check the truck. couldn't the missing varnish on the contacts, only mean that the truck has been checked b4, or is the dealer the only person "allowed" to check for codes

 

MrBBQ, Sal here. Honestly, I have no idea where the term "service port", referring to where the chip plugs in, came from. Dealers do not use the port on the PCM. Never have, probably never will. On EEC4 vehicles, you use the VIP connector under the hood, and on EEC5 vehicles, you use the OBDII DCL under the dash.

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SAL
13.209@104.3mph
Power Surge Performance 99 Lightning Chip and Filter Kit, full Bassani Exhaust, Nitto Extreme Drags
PowerSurgePerf@aol.com

 

SAL, are techs instructed to check for removal of varnish on cabin side of pmc, as an out for powertrain warrenty claims? i asked my dealer about mods on a SVT vehicle, and all he told me was: have the deciency to disconnect the nitrous system if you have a motor/tranny problem

 

Sal,
Im not sure and I dont mean to try and insult your intelligence but dont some programs use the service port?I know all the hypertech programmers do.I know that the hypertech programmer III for the lightning does also.Doesnt his mean that alphadoggy is right?

 

It's nice to see that sal has time to read, and leave post here. When he should burning my chip!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by 4rts2nv (edited 05-11-2000).]

 

LQuick, Sal here. Yes, some "do it yourselfer" programmers do plug into the OBDII port to make changes. This is pretty much the dumbest thing you can do. You see, EEC5 PCMs have a flashable memory, which is what allows you to use these type of programmers. Here is how they work- you plug it in, it downloads your stock code to the programmer, you make changes and reload it in the PCM. Now, the progreammer stores the downloaded stock file, and the PCM has your altered file. This is no big deal, unless you want to make a second change. Then it downloads the first file you loaded, and loads the new altered file. Now guess what? You NO LONGER have the stock file. So if you wanted to put the stock file back in, you can't. Plus those type of programmers are extremely limited in what you can do.

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SAL
13.209@104.3mph
Power Surge Performance 99 Lightning Chip and Filter Kit, full Bassani Exhaust, Nitto Extreme Drags
PowerSurgePerf@aol.com