HIDs W/ Yellow Fogs
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HIDs W/ Yellow Fogs
Well some of you know, and some dont, but I recently finally upgraded the Lighting on the Lightning. I added with the help of my friend Gary, Clear corner lights, with Sylvania Silverstar Bulbs, new fog light housings (water got in and ruined the old ones), Nokia Hyper Yellow fog bulbs (wanted something different and I think it makes an exotic style look), and a McCoulloch 6000K HID kit.
Everything went in pretty easy and smoothly as a direct plug in. While we were at it me and Gary searched and found the source to the headlight flash when locking with the keyless entry and disabled that, since it causes premature burning out of the HID system. Having access to garys lift made the fog lights really simple to do instead of a pain on your back. And we also aligned everything so to minimize the annoyance to other drivers. All said and done I love them and wish I did them sooner...
Anyways there not the best but heres the pics...
HIDS Only
HIDS with the Fogs
Everything went in pretty easy and smoothly as a direct plug in. While we were at it me and Gary searched and found the source to the headlight flash when locking with the keyless entry and disabled that, since it causes premature burning out of the HID system. Having access to garys lift made the fog lights really simple to do instead of a pain on your back. And we also aligned everything so to minimize the annoyance to other drivers. All said and done I love them and wish I did them sooner...
Anyways there not the best but heres the pics...
HIDS Only
HIDS with the Fogs
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Mister, they are only 6k hids and very little blue, dunno why in the one pic they look otherwise....
Qwik, to each his own, but I personally like the look my truck has at night, and when parked next to a friends Lexus GS 400 the lighting is very very close. Not to mention the fact that at least now my fogs are functional in guess what ? Fog......
Qwik, to each his own, but I personally like the look my truck has at night, and when parked next to a friends Lexus GS 400 the lighting is very very close. Not to mention the fact that at least now my fogs are functional in guess what ? Fog......
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Originally Posted by Blown5Pnt4
Mister, they are only 6k hids and very little blue, dunno why in the one pic they look otherwise....
Qwik, to each his own, but I personally like the look my truck has at night, and when parked next to a friends Lexus GS 400 the lighting is very very close. Not to mention the fact that at least now my fogs are functional in guess what ? Fog......
Qwik, to each his own, but I personally like the look my truck has at night, and when parked next to a friends Lexus GS 400 the lighting is very very close. Not to mention the fact that at least now my fogs are functional in guess what ? Fog......
Correct me if i'm wrong, but the reasons for doing an HID conversion are as follows, for better visibility and less fatigue at night, and to match the look of more expensive luxury and sports cars with OEM hid's.
No car on the market today has 6000k OEM HID's. They're all between 4-5000k, which is pure white. If you want to mimic the OEM look, why use the 6, 8 or even 10-12k kits that look nothing like OEM? The blue and purple colors you see in factory HID cars are from the cutoff of the projectors, and not the light itself, which is pure white. Depending on color temperature the higher kelvin colored bulbs actually put less lumens (usable light) on the road, than even halogen bulbs. That brings us to the second issue, glare. HID bulbs placed in a halogen housing don't create the proper beam pattern, creating hot spots, glare, and blinding oncoming traffic. HID's are very powerful lightning and can be very dangerous used the wrong way.
These are some quotes from another site with lots of useful info.
I really hope this thread can help you guys. You're making the road more dangerous than it already is by adding a HID kit to your car. so please do HID the right way by doing a retrofit.
HID kits are illegal due to the glare that they cause. Glare is Light that is emitted in a Uncontrollable path. When light is traveling in a uncontrollable path it can hit other vehicle operators affecting there vision because of the High amount of uncontrollable light that is being Emitted from a HID kit in a standard Halogen housing. If you have ever turned a flashlight on right in front of your face while it is dark out, that is the same feeling that the other drivers on the road experience from a standard HID kit.
OEM Vehicles such as Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Lexus are all equipped with HID or Xenon Headlights. Some use reflector housing’s without projectors. Others use HID projectors.
The Lexus IS300 is a Prime Example of a HID reflector housing. It does not use a Projector. It uses a Specially designed Reflector housing that is meant to use HID. This does not create the Super sharp cutoff. But it does control where the light is being Emitted.
Other vehicles such as the Honda S2000 Use HID projectors, These Projectors are meant to use HID. They are Specially Designed and have been tested Hundreds of times to get the right projection of light while maintaining a Good Cutoff.
Here are pictures of Halogen housings mated with a HID kit
This teg is a prime example of Glare. This is what it looks like to oncoming traffic
Disaster pix. HID kit in Halogen Housing
HID kits are illegal due to the glare that they cause. Glare is Light that is emitted in a Uncontrollable path. When light is traveling in a uncontrollable path it can hit other vehicle operators affecting there vision because of the High amount of uncontrollable light that is being Emitted from a HID kit in a standard Halogen housing. If you have ever turned a flashlight on right in front of your face while it is dark out, that is the same feeling that the other drivers on the road experience from a standard HID kit.
OEM Vehicles such as Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Lexus are all equipped with HID or Xenon Headlights. Some use reflector housing’s without projectors. Others use HID projectors.
The Lexus IS300 is a Prime Example of a HID reflector housing. It does not use a Projector. It uses a Specially designed Reflector housing that is meant to use HID. This does not create the Super sharp cutoff. But it does control where the light is being Emitted.
Other vehicles such as the Honda S2000 Use HID projectors, These Projectors are meant to use HID. They are Specially Designed and have been tested Hundreds of times to get the right projection of light while maintaining a Good Cutoff.
Here are pictures of Halogen housings mated with a HID kit
This teg is a prime example of Glare. This is what it looks like to oncoming traffic
Disaster pix. HID kit in Halogen Housing
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continued... you can see in these pictures where the coloring comes from, in the cutoff of the projector.
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NOW THE GOOD poop..lol
This is what HID is suppose to look like..
Talk about a Razor Sharp Cutoff. Pictured is a S2000 OEM setup
Article stating why the kits are illegal.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/rulings/glare.html
Comparison.. Pictured is a Acura TL-S with HID from the factory vs H4 6000K civic
See the difference?
To date, NHTSA has investigated 24 HID conversion kit suppliers; all investigations have resulted in recalls or termination of sales.
RM Racing
Astex USA
Kmax International
FET, Inc.
J. Liu LLC
Gourmet Garage
JC Whitney
Lighting Research
SPW Industries, Inc.
Pacific Micro-lite
McCulloch Motors, Inc.
Santeca Electronics
JF Manufacturing
Streetglow, Inc.
Outback Products, Inc.
Nu Performance
GR Motorsports, Inc.
Global Premier
New Clor
Importhookup.com
DG International
MTC Lighting
Umnitza
Liteglow
American Products Company
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This is what HID is suppose to look like..
Talk about a Razor Sharp Cutoff. Pictured is a S2000 OEM setup
Article stating why the kits are illegal.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/rulings/glare.html
Comparison.. Pictured is a Acura TL-S with HID from the factory vs H4 6000K civic
See the difference?
To date, NHTSA has investigated 24 HID conversion kit suppliers; all investigations have resulted in recalls or termination of sales.
RM Racing
Astex USA
Kmax International
FET, Inc.
J. Liu LLC
Gourmet Garage
JC Whitney
Lighting Research
SPW Industries, Inc.
Pacific Micro-lite
McCulloch Motors, Inc.
Santeca Electronics
JF Manufacturing
Streetglow, Inc.
Outback Products, Inc.
Nu Performance
GR Motorsports, Inc.
Global Premier
New Clor
Importhookup.com
DG International
MTC Lighting
Umnitza
Liteglow
American Products Company
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And finally, some info on the different color temperatures
Alright, here lately we've had alot of new members show up and ask very basic, already covered info. So i took it upon my self to cover the bases so to speak so that you get a general idea of what all is involved with HID.
Class is in session...shall we start?
Bulbs
Ok, first off, lets start with the bulbs. The common mistake some people here is that all these high kelvin rated bulbs are the shizzle. Well, they couldn't be more wrong. The higher you go in kelvin, the less light and lumens you'll have. Pratically anything over 6k is really a waste if your at all concerned with your safety and brightness of lighting. So what is the best bulb out there then you ask? 4100-4300k. It has the most lumens out of all the HID bulbs produced. Thats why car manifacturers still use them today. Below is a graph showing you the variances of the light spectrum. As you can see, 4100k would be right where the "sweet spot" is on that chart. It produces near to the suns same kelvin thus giving you daylight-like output. Think of it like this, high kelvin bulbs would be like being out in the sun with sunglasses on vs a 4100k being in the sun w/o glasses on.
Also here is another good thing to know taken from the FAQ:
Yellow:
1500 k Candlelight
2700-2900 k Yellow painted fog halogen bulbs
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Yellowish white:
3200 k Sunrise/sunset
3200 k Premium H7 non painted halogen bulb
3400 k 1 hour from dusk/dawn
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White:
4100 k Philips/Osram OEM HID D2S
5500 k Bright sunny daylight around noon
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Blueish white
5500-5600 k Electronic photo flash
6000 k Philips Ultinon HID D2S
6500-7500 k Overcast sky
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Blue:
9000-12000 k Blue sky
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Purple:
28000 Northern sky
12000-30000 k Ultra Violet light (black light)
Some important terms to know:
Watt- Measure of electrical power (w)
Volt- Measure of electrical charge (v)
Kelvin- Measure of color temperature (K)
Lumen- Measure of light brightness (lu)
Capsule- tecnically correct term for a HID "bulb".
Candela- Measure of light intensity (cd)
Ampere- Measure of electrical current
Cut-off- A distinctive line of light produced by the shield in a headlight that blocks light above a certain height in order to prevent blinding of other motorists.
Beam Pattern- The pattern of light that is projected onto the ground which includes angle of lateral dispersion, width and depth of illumination.
Capsule- Another term for an HID bulb. Some refer to HID bulbs as gas discharge capsules.
Optics- The lighting control assembly structured around the bulb, which effects the dispersion of light and it's characteristics to a great degree.
HID (High Intensity Discharge)= Gas Discharge
Halogen= Incandescence
Class is in session...shall we start?
Bulbs
Ok, first off, lets start with the bulbs. The common mistake some people here is that all these high kelvin rated bulbs are the shizzle. Well, they couldn't be more wrong. The higher you go in kelvin, the less light and lumens you'll have. Pratically anything over 6k is really a waste if your at all concerned with your safety and brightness of lighting. So what is the best bulb out there then you ask? 4100-4300k. It has the most lumens out of all the HID bulbs produced. Thats why car manifacturers still use them today. Below is a graph showing you the variances of the light spectrum. As you can see, 4100k would be right where the "sweet spot" is on that chart. It produces near to the suns same kelvin thus giving you daylight-like output. Think of it like this, high kelvin bulbs would be like being out in the sun with sunglasses on vs a 4100k being in the sun w/o glasses on.
Also here is another good thing to know taken from the FAQ:
Yellow:
1500 k Candlelight
2700-2900 k Yellow painted fog halogen bulbs
-------------------------------
Yellowish white:
3200 k Sunrise/sunset
3200 k Premium H7 non painted halogen bulb
3400 k 1 hour from dusk/dawn
-------------------------------
White:
4100 k Philips/Osram OEM HID D2S
5500 k Bright sunny daylight around noon
----------------
Blueish white
5500-5600 k Electronic photo flash
6000 k Philips Ultinon HID D2S
6500-7500 k Overcast sky
-----------------
Blue:
9000-12000 k Blue sky
-----------------
Purple:
28000 Northern sky
12000-30000 k Ultra Violet light (black light)
Some important terms to know:
Watt- Measure of electrical power (w)
Volt- Measure of electrical charge (v)
Kelvin- Measure of color temperature (K)
Lumen- Measure of light brightness (lu)
Capsule- tecnically correct term for a HID "bulb".
Candela- Measure of light intensity (cd)
Ampere- Measure of electrical current
Cut-off- A distinctive line of light produced by the shield in a headlight that blocks light above a certain height in order to prevent blinding of other motorists.
Beam Pattern- The pattern of light that is projected onto the ground which includes angle of lateral dispersion, width and depth of illumination.
Capsule- Another term for an HID bulb. Some refer to HID bulbs as gas discharge capsules.
Optics- The lighting control assembly structured around the bulb, which effects the dispersion of light and it's characteristics to a great degree.
HID (High Intensity Discharge)= Gas Discharge
Halogen= Incandescence
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yeah thats all true, but still compared to the poor stock lighting I have tons more visibility. Also I know about the glare problem and took that into consideration when aiming them...I have mine aimed downward so that they do not blind on coming traffic. The glare in my pics is more blurred from my friends camera. Originally I wanted the Xenarcs, but since they were discontinued, and I had no luck finding a used set, I settled for these...
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Both of those threads are from HID planet, however you must be a registered member to view them
http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3505
http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2080
Here's my setup, i've been running it for about a year now, very similar to yours. Sylvania Xenarc HID's, with nokya hyper yellow fogs.
The Xenarcs have a housing and reflector setup designed for HID, so there's a sharp cutoff and little glare. Notice in this first picture, taken directly in the beam, how strong the lights are?
but now, just a tad above the cutoff, the light isn't intense at all.
http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3505
http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2080
Here's my setup, i've been running it for about a year now, very similar to yours. Sylvania Xenarc HID's, with nokya hyper yellow fogs.
The Xenarcs have a housing and reflector setup designed for HID, so there's a sharp cutoff and little glare. Notice in this first picture, taken directly in the beam, how strong the lights are?
but now, just a tad above the cutoff, the light isn't intense at all.
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Originally Posted by Blown5Pnt4
Originally I wanted the Xenarcs, but since they were discontinued, and I had no luck finding a used set, I settled for these...
I don't know if i could live without the high beams. the yellow fogs I use alot and are excellent in cutting through dense fog.