Ahhh ... But do you drive ON-TRACK at 140 mph in the rain? No, huh?
Give me back my F1's ... They rock as a performance tire, they just don't LAST.

And they never wrote a song about the "Cold Florida Rain" did they

Did a bit of Tech Reseach ...

Florida Kentucky
2.3 2.9
2.8 3.3
2.7 4.4
1.6 3.9
4.0 4.5
6.1 3.7
5.3 5.0
5.3 3.9
6.6 3.3
4.1 2.6
3.0 3.4
2.1 4.0
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45.9 44.9 TOTALS

 

Are you really trying to argue with me over a set of tires with a price difference of over a $1,000+ set of tires against a $600 mounted and balanced set? I said I liked them but they are not the be all end all of tires, but for the price I am very happy with them. And I did say "a little bit..." 1.0 seems like a little bit to me
Realistically the average owner does not track this truck at 140mph, nor do they even regularly go close to that fast. One would think if this was so important to you, you would stick with what works, your f1's, but you are the track guy, not me.
I will also venture to say the rain falling in Florida is far harder than in Virginia, it comes down in buckets, not drops. I am sure I can find my on little facts to spin the average rainfall in FL too I am sure I can find more notes saying the rainfall is up to 10+ inches greater than Virginia, but I think its a waste of time.

-Patrick

 

well i just so happened to install a set of toyo proxxes s/t 295/45/18 yesterday. so far they seem pretty damn good. with about 460+ going to the wheels especially in the winter i dont think any tire is gonna hook-up on the street all to well...for me that is. but i got mine from tireseasy.com they were about $155. a piece, all together i paid about $720. delivered to central jersey. they look good and they are about 75-100 dollars cheaper than f-1's or nittos. anyhow trust me on the tireseasy thing i looked all over and they beat everyone overall by a long shot. good luck

 

Tireeasy huh? Let me check that out. We use Toyos on some of our race cars and they make a pretty good tire I think. $600 or so I could swing, but over $1000 is rough! I don't have the sorts of power most of you folks get, I've only got a 4lb and making 400/480 at the rear wheel, but 1/4 thrrottle will spin these dead F1s!

R

 

No, Patrick, I'm not ... I said that I went to the Hangook's because they were
cheap. I posted that again in the attempt at humor back at your post, but
maybe you missed the smilie ...

What I was trying to point out is the apparent non-tech assessment of the
different tires. The soft performance F1's will always grip better (as you
pointed out!) The Hangook's are cheaper, harder, and they IMHO do not
take to the rain very well. But that's based on driving both tires in the rain
at the same event. Was it a side by side compare on identical trucks? No,
it was within two hours on the SAME truck on a controlled environment.
Pushing to the edge, the Hangook's broke loose about 10-15 mph earlier
than the F1's. They are harder. They have to.
They Hydroplane very quickly. They break loose and get sideways at
every stop light with anything over 425 HP. All in all not a great tire
for a daily driver. BUT THEY DO LAST AND THEY ARE CHEAPER. (130 v.s. 230)

I took this to mean that you have more experience in the rain and therefore you're right
and I was wrong. If I took that wrong I apologize. No harm, no foul.

In the end I would hate to have somebody wipe out their truck in the rain
because they "saved" $400 on tires, that's all.

As soon as I finally burn up the 'gooks (and I have been trying! Dayum they are HARD),
I will be back on F1's ... My life's worth a bit more than $400.00 to me.

Have a good day, and sorry for the misunderstandings.

Cliff

 

No harm no foul, I simply am saying, and others agree with me, at least 3 other local owners and several on this board that these perform better for us in situations involving rain. The only time I have ever spun the truck in the rain was with the F1's, my friends in Tampa who also own lightnings who have also owned, toyos, nittos and such and we all have been enjoying our hankooks. For everyday, non-track or 'controlled evet' driving, I have to say these tires are hard to beat.

Also, I don't put myself in life threating situations driving in rain the first place, nor generally in any driving situations, as long as they can stop, which they do very well, I am fine. Thus saving over $400 a set is well worth it to me. Have a nice day.

-Patrick

 

I agree with Patrick on the rain. Maybe it's our pavement down here or highway driving vs. open track. I've had significantly less hydroplaneing with the Kooks compared to the 3 sets of F1's I've gone through.

Hopefully people who switch from F1's to any 400 treadwear-rated tire have enough smarts to understand the high performance limitations.