I'm trying to understand something here Rob. You have said many times that Sal would not put in the springs. Sal has said that you wouldn't pay the LABOR for him to do it. So is the truth Sal wouldn't do the springs for FREE?

If you didn't think reporting disappointing results about the MP was going to hurt Charles, then you are truely out of touch with reality. What did you expect? "Man, Rob made ported eaton power on the MP - I got to get one of those....."

As for loyality - sure you spent some money, but you got comp'd all kinds of shiet.. It would be interesting to know what you really dropped on the project - I bet it is no where near the 13k I did. So now you are going to pay Jim what you should have paid Sal in the first place. No shiet it is going to run top notch - just like my truck does.

Still waiting to hear why you sprayed the first time out.??

 

Mark, are ya kiddin? dont you know who we are talkin about? its Big Nitrous Rob, he has to make his big pass ***** out the first run so he can hurry up home and post to the world what he did... A very close friend of Robs told him that day (JDM Day) to not say anything to anyone about what was happening to him, especially on the forums.. did we all think Rob could do that? No! it was only a matter of time before he announced to the world, "TEAM JDM BABY!!!"... As Sal has posted in another thread, Rob is loyal to none.. and when Rob said that he is and always will be, well, we all know the truth to that just by reading Robs posts in the past recent months..

 

Tuff crowd! :o

 

This issue with weak springs is what I, Sal and Charles unsucessfuly attempted to bash into Rob's quite dense head. His valves were floating on a sea of high boost. I don't understand how someone can spend hundreds on a NO2 system and other crap and won't chunk a dime toward something simple as heavier springs, especialy when the motor was torn apart. Do something half a$$ and it will fail. When I tear mine down in Jan, you had better believe that I am not done until the motor, heads, springs are built overspec for my intended goals.

 

Whip can you send her over my way, I need cheering up

 

 

He used Sal @ PSP up.
Now to suck some blood outta JDM.
Whos next ? JLP watch out !!!!

 

your guys are so funny. He really used Sal up huh? Sal agreed to build something the way Rob wanted, even though he knew it wasn't right. So when problems arose, Rob had to spend, and spend. Yeah, Sal threw in time he never will recoupe, but he's not the one having to do it all over again.

Shouldn't have done it in the first place if he thought Rob's parts were wrong. He should have told Rob to use the parts he recommends or he won't do it.

Now Rob is the leach???

Who has 15k dollars and who has a truck that's in worse shape then it was a year ago???

 

Rob....don't lose sleep over it bro! Don't worry about what people say. You tried something, it didn't work quite as well as expected, you learned, and now your picking yourself back up. Time will heal wounds with Sal or Charles, and soon you will be enjoying your truck again. I for one am thankful for you sharing your experiance, you taught as all a lesson (even if it was at your hard expense!) And you are a beloved part of our community! Happy Thanksgiving brotha!!!!!

 

You guys are killing me, and this really sucks Mark and Rich seeing you two attacking me because Sal is trying to save his ***. Weeks ago we were friends now I'm the enemy No I should rephrase that, you are making me the enemy because Sal is asking you to attack me.

Big deal in one post I said Team JDM Baby, FYI I am now part of that Team so what the hells the problem ??? and anyone that knows me and my post knows I have always been very good friends with Jim and JDM, I always WOO HOO them, I've NEVER had a bad word to say about them, and that was never a secrete and sure the hell isn't now.

My decision to finally do business with Sal and PSP after all these years was based on "1" thing, --> location location location <--. For those that feel allowing him 1 full year and over 60 dyno's to tune it wasnt enough time, all I have to say is WTF ???
HELLO A FULL YEAR AND I STILL COULDNT GO WOT WITH MY TRUCK!!

And when I say Sal wouldnt put the springs in, I talk of after the motor was done, as I continue to say there was never talk of the springs before the build, not one word about them, I asked to build the motor using the factory heads, he said it would work and gave me a price, and I went with it.

Mop your right my thick skull would not except you and everyones constant reminder of the springs being the problem after the build, BECAUSE SAL KEPT TELLING ME EVERYONE IS WRONG AND IT'S NOT THE SPRINGS. If you think in your wildest dreams I wasn't willing to pay for the few hours labor it takes to do it, your all frigging crazy. And yes I did post the results that night of the Dyno's, THATS ALL I DID, but no one wants to believe who's decision it was to do that (swap SC) so I aint even going there again.....
BUT
in looking back it's the best thing I ever did for this community because it got Charles to run those test and PROVE that it was in fact the springs. After that there was NO DOUBT in my mind the springs held the Mag back, and from that second on I was on a mission to get them changed AND HAVE VOICED THAT A MILLION TIMES ON LINE

YOU GUYS THINK YOU CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH ???
Heres a little more for you, I have asked and begged and pleaded for him to change those springs time after time after time, BUT SAL STILL REFUSED over and over and over...... AMOF Sal REFUSED so many times to change my fking springs (after WE ALL KNEW they were the problem) that I even asked Charles to call Sal and plead with him to do it, but of course Sal wouldnt know that because no matter how many times Charles called and or wrote, he never heard back from him.

There is only one person I need to know the truth here AND HE DOES.
I have been working with and trying to make it up to Charles ever since that night the Dyno was done. Mark you bailed out on the Mag, Sal bailed out on the Mag, BUT I NEVER DID. I always knew it had it in it and now it's going to be a 10 sec DD.

Want a little more truth you may not want to hear ???, I already had plans to give JDM my truck this winter to make it right, and this was long BEFORE it blew up. There are people reading this now that know that to be the truth and thats all I care about.

Why did I spray it you ask ? Because I was told my truck was N20 Dyno tuned and ready to go. Looking back I prob shouldnt have, and looking foward I wont again at first, but for those that have a problem with me not wanting to stay with Sal after this, MAN YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME ???

I will continue to say what is true, I will continue to NOT sweep schitt under the rug, and I will stick to my words, I DID NOTHING WRONG
I tried PSP after all these years, Sal bend over backwards for me, Sal saved me a ton of money, Sal tried and tried and tried, but the bottom line is MY L was never right after the build, I havent been able to enjoy it for a full year, he wasnt able to get it right, and it's MY decision to move on.

OH BTW
It was HIS DECISION to come on line, lie through his teeth, try and make me the bad guy, AND THEN ATTACK ME. All I did was tell people to stop blaming ME because I didnt build or tune it, Sal did.

Thanks Whip and everyone else for seeing another side to this
Happy Thanksgiving to you my Brotha's !!!!!

 

Rob,

What everyone here believes is immaterial to what the actual people
that were involved know to be the truth. Only the people that were
doing the stuff know why they did what they did. It's your truck, your
dollars, and your pain if it doesn't work.

Good luck with JDM, my friend.

And have a Happy Thanksgiving.

This thread has outlived it's usefullness to me.

 

ROB Happy Thanksgiving I for one am verry glad you made your posts,I have made the decision to just port my blower (steig) gear (410) and full exhaust.mostly because of the BS you had to put up with. and what ever it runs it runs.The big reason is I dont like any thing new on the market so im looking for a good 5.0 to play with THANX ROB i tried to get Sal to send me a custom tune, but i havent seen chit in my email that was 6 weeks ago,so i guess he has time to bash you on the putr, but not to answer email ????s

 

Can't see this thread staying open much more..........
So here goes

I talk to Rob, 3 or 4 times a week on the phone.
I told Rob many times it was, just plain dumb, to install the very used stock springs and valves back into his motor. But his motor builder kept implying that the springs where up to "spec". Stock spec in a motor that wasn't going to be stock, doesn't make to much sense. Atleast to me.

But I was accused by somebody of making "digs" at somebody's company, for making those statments because I didn't know what I was was talking about. I just decided at the time not to revel just how much I really did, in fact, know about the situation.........

But after 13 sets of plugs breaking apart, it was only a matter of time, before a stock valve was damaged. Iam sure a stainless valve could be damaged, but it would take more abuse. I can't help believe Rob's motor would still be alive today if the heads had been more than stock "spec"

Now the issue of damaging 13 sets of plugs is a different story, huh?

All Rob has done is this.........
tried to spend the least amount of money
and report everything that has happened to his truck

One thing Rob and myself have in common is this. Neither him or myself is an engine builder or tuner, we paid somebody to do it for us. When it was completed, we paid the bill and enjoyed the fruits. Well atleast one of us did

Rob don't sweat the insults being thrown your way, by a few. Especially the 5 or 6 post members. I know it's easy for me to say (Iam not the one footing the bill) but its time to let it go and move on. I think you showed the patience of a saint, but its time to move on. Have a Happy Thanksgivin' Rob and everybody else and Rob, its time to move on..........

Did I say its time to move on........lol
And yeah, I practice what I preach

 

Sorry to hear that Rob I've got 76,000 miles on my truck and after I blew that plug and had to have it fixed I know I was gunshy to even run WOT but the guys who did it here in Phoenix did a real good job with it (even though it took about 3 weeks) and I've just kind of been happy motorin on down the road with it. All the tuners and shops do their best I believe and Sal is a good guy, just part of the game though huh? Gotta pay to play. Just so happens you had one of the fastest toys, maybe some guys are just jealous. You'll get it fixed, you guys always do Anyway, Chris and I decided to take a couple months off from driving for the winter so we are here at home in Phoenix where it's Thanksgiving and like 75 degrees. Talk to you guys soon.
Love
CA

 

Food for thought.

THere is a guy here in michigan who has a CAI, traction bars, and a nitrous setup and a tune.

(no fancy built motor or heads, stock upper and lower pulley etc...)

He was running high 11's on F1's at Stanton last year.

IMO and from what I've read on here for tthe past few years:
Less boost and more nitrous will get you a better time at the track than more boost and more nitrous.