I stand corrected, sorry Big Guy....


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If Charles is still willing to work with us, and gets us the tools

And if thats what he choices to do, then so be it, but I doubt it.
And for the record, I'll still recommend the Mag to people with Heads, Cams, AND Springs, AND HAVE SO THIS WEEK, after my results.

Let me ask you something,
How would you have liked for me to play this IM ???

Should I have lied to everyone and said it made more power than the PE ???
Should I have lied and said I was happy gaining 15 HP over an Eaton w/4lb ???
Should I have made believe I had a race program + n20 tune, when I cant ???

OR
Should I have continued to burn up my plugs and god knows what else,
trying to make a measly 450 HP off Spray ????

And FYI
I used the highest #'s WE EVER ACHIEVED on the Mag
and Compared that to the LOWEST #'s we achieved on the Eaton
(because I wanted to compare using the identicle programs)
THE EATON REALLY KICKED IT'S *** IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH
588 SAE TQ on the Eaton to 556 SAE TQ on the Mag "to be exact"


SORRY BUT I OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY TO TELL THE TRUTH!!

 

Rob, I've gained a ton of respect for you on this thread. You're a stand-up guy.


-Mike

 

Hey Rob; just curious.... were you burning up TR6's?

Just curious becuase I had always used Denso's IT22's from just a 2# lower all the way to 514HP on a KB. The new motor I tried some TR6's and it idled RUFFFF, but I accounted that to the cams. It missed some cruising, and had run/lean issues up top. I switched to a new set of IT22's and it idles sooooo much smoother, no more miss cruising, and it doesn't try to creap lean anymore up top. Keep in mind this is only with a low timing, rich fuel, 4# lower eaton. KB will be going on here shortly.

But, the TR6's sucked in my motor!

 

Alot of nice well thought out mature responses from a few here that have no idea what they are talking about.

BTW, your not going to force an intake valve open with 20lbs of boost when the cam lobe/rocker is already acting upon the stem. Some of you really need to figure out what it is your talking about before you open your mouth.

Springs do seem to be the new hot ticket item thats for sure, wether your getting them to help lift your wheels for worse 60fts or your getting them to solve your MP problems, the people are in place to take your money gentlemen, have at it.

peace out dyno queens.

Steve A.

 

If Rob is getting a bunch of jackasses sending him crap e-mails or pm's then that is bull****. What is it now like 3-4 months and 20+ dynos runs by Rob and Sal to equate all the information that has been posted. I would think this kind of extensive testing should be welcomed by anyone and not criticized. It's not like Rob is spouting crap and has worked with MP the best he could up until this point. For any of you racers consider how Rob has lost his whole Spring race season because of all these set-backs and has yet to fully enjoy his truck that he has dumped tons of money and time into. Rob was the one approached to use and promote the MP and he tried his best to do that. At the end of the day it just didn't work out for his application as he said. End of story and leave the other bull**** at the door.

Through all of this Rob is more concerned that he let people down because he has not been able to run good numbers and promote the products on his truck that he believes so much in.

MP seems to have a few set-backs on a good perecentage of applications and they look to be addressing this. I think it's big of Rob to agree to do more testing as he really has nothing to gain and is being a stand-up guy by helping MP. Rob is getting the numbers he wants now with the Eaton so to continue abusing his motor on the dyno and swapping blowers back and forth several times sure isn't benefiting him so cut the crap with bashing him on any issues.

 

Funny, I thought we were talking exhaust valves. That's why I try to stay out of technical arguments. I'm just too ignorant on the subject. I was under the impression that no amount of boost, we could produce, would lift a seated intake valve regardless of the spring or cam engagement. Sort of like opening a door the wrong way, the jam keeps it from working.

 

Agreed.


Hopefully, nothing I've posted came across to you as a bash, Rob. If you'll do a little searching you can see that I haven't been particularly impressed with the MP either. It has been oversold. In hindsight I would have gone with the KB or waited out the Whipple. I'm going to stick with the MP now that I probably couldn't get enough for it to justify the labor to remove it and to go toward a Whipple. I'm saving for heads and cams. That should put me where I want to be on a stock block daily driver.

 

 

IF the valve spring is allowing the valve to open and LEAK.

WHEN IS THIS HAPPENING?

Intake stroke?
Compression Stroke?
Power Stroke?
Exhaust Stroke?

It wouldn't be during the power stroke, or the exhaust stroke.

Possibly during the end of the intake stroke and beginning of the compression stroke? I don't know.

Can someone explain this to me? I'm thinking the compression in the combustion chamber is far greater than and pressure the MP could put out. the MP would have to overcome the Spring and the cylinder compression, right?

Random thoughts, anyone have an answer?


Rob, how much did you pay for that MP blower? Rumor is that it is the one that JLP used in testing. Is that true?

 

 

best post of this thread.

 

That's what I was thinking. At 20 psi, the pressure inside the chamber is 2.5 times greater than stock before the compression of the power stroke. The intake valve springs are being assisted by 20# of boost to maintain valve seal. The exhaust springs are what need to be stiffened. I think the intake side should be fine. I'm sure someone more knowlegable will correct me if I am wrong.

 

Yes it is the EXACT SC Johnny used for his testing
(BTW I'm sorry for getting snappy, but man you got to believe this killed me)

I have often wondered if there could be something with this particular case ?
I had written Charles after reading about Johnny's results and asked if he wanted to cut me a deal or get involved with the Build one way or another.
I felt so strongly about this SC that I wanted one the first time I saw AND HEARD one, long before I got one. As it turned out the timing was right, he had just got this SC back from Johnny, Sal was just becoming a Mag Dealer, and next thing I knew it was at Sals and going on my truck. It was included to me in the $7500.00 bill from Sal, I was happy as a pig in schitt, and I truly believed we were going to prove everyone having bad results WRONG. I cant say how much I paid for it based on the way it happen, but as you can see I had nothing to gain, and only to lose by doing this comparison. AMOF since I sold my Ported Eaton to Bill for barely nothing, I had to go out and get another Ported, and pay of course to do it.

Here's my opinion and truly what I feel is the bottom line

Some of us ARE having good results, some are having GREAT results,
those with Heads and Cams are really showing this Mag DOES KICK *** under the right conditons. But for the guys just bolting them on Stock Headed and Camed L's, it seems the results vary too much.

That tells me two things, either this Spring issue is 100% dead on, and that is the problem. Diff years, previous abuse on those springs, mileage, maybe Ford changing Vendors (like they did with the Cranks) would clearly explain why we see such a spread of results on diff L's.
"OR"
It's unconsistantcy in the SC Design or Production, "BUT" that is very hard to swallow since there is obviously a mold, and tolerances that are closely followed in the making of it, (Right ?).

 

I agree; in fact mine slowed down a few tenths and some MPH at the track on more boost with a MP

 

Oh the plugs (not a good subject with me) @$%@$&^%@$*&^$@

Casey, Yes they were NGK's but BR7's this time
I have a theory on NGK's,
MOST L's love them, BUT SOME DO NOT.
I have the DO NOT L

I installed TR6's in my L back in 02, that was the day I started complaining about them. Idle sucked, and I hated them. 500 miles later 3 cooked

I then put Denso IT-22's in and became a walking commercial for them.
Had the same set in (and raced often) for 02, 03, and all of 04.
I did crack the porc on one last race of the season in Nov of 04, but I was not complaining, put Denso's back in and loved them again.

Put BR7's in this Motor day one, hated the idle immediately, on my third set in 1000 Miles, cooked 4 real bad, damaged two others, it seems everytime I check them, I got a bad one ^($%@$&%@$(%@$(@$
We put Denso IT-22's in it now and man I can not tell you how friggin better the truck idles and feels, WOO HOO.............
Got my fingers crossed I can get 3 years out of these, hehehehehehe.....

Wes
You missed that did you