I vote for the Maytay Neptune model. But I'm biased because I own both Washer & Dryer.

 

This is off topic as hell but I have A Maytag set that is at least 12 years old - Its been moved 4 or 5 times - I have abused it every way possible and it works like a charm.

In my opinion the new fangled electronic washers and dryers are expensie over kill. How many settings do you need to wash jeans ? And the idea that that computer controlled 1500 wonder will be working in 10 years to give to anyone is a dream

Doug

 

Been there, done that. Only gained 14RWHP/torque over an Apten ported Eaton. Not worth the $$$/HP in my opinion.

 

There is a problem I see with some of these "independent" tests.

You folks don't seem to be taking into account the potential of these blowers.

Here is what I am getting at. If I pick a boost level, let's say 16 lbs so that the Apten Port can keep up, and I do a dyno on all 3 blowers...KB, MP, AP, I will see small changes between all three of them. But the fact that the H.P. is increasing with each blower upgrade, at the same boost, tells us something. It screams volumes about the effeciency of each blower. It also means each blower upgrade gives you better E.T.'s and more consistent passes when running in events that demand some hot lapping.


Let's take it to another level. Try pumpimg 24 lbs of boost through a A.P. Even if you can spin it fast enough to make that happen, the air charge will be so hot, it could cause a China Syndrom...LOL.

I know for a fact I can make 24 lbs on my Kenne Bell with no problems....I have done it.

I do believe I have seen Suavy make a post or two about making better than 22 lbs of boost with his M.P.

Now try and do either of those with the Apten Ported...I would like to see the H.P. differences at 20 + lbs of boost.


The issue fellers...is POTENTIAL....where can I go from here? Is the question.


Answer......

The Apten ported is tapped out around 18lbs...try more and the heat will keep any additional H.P. gain practicly non-existent....I know this because I had one. It is a great md...but it has limitations. I have watched the gains, or should I say lack of gains after 18lbs of boost.


The M.P. is still within it's effeciency range and making power at 20lbs of boost. The magnum powers is capable of 10 second passes....it will be a cold day in hell before a A.P. does this with no Nitrous.


To proclaim the M.P. not worth the money is a bit arrogant. Nothing personal against the "testers", it's neat to here back reports of individual results. But your results don't resemble anything close to scientific. And they are definnitly not the final word on what is what.

I submit...did any of the tests involve a data logger of any type. If so...lets see the runs that way...I would love to see just how quick we have some pegging MAS numbers.


If we are going to proclaim ourselves testers, the least we colud do is test the stuff properely.


Rocks

 

Get the washer.

It can be used as a great bargaining tool for later transactions




Will

 

You just validated a lot of mine and others thoughts.

I guess I should have clarified my previous statement. A Magnum Powers blower will never compete on a HP/$$$ basis on a STOCK BLOCK truck, which most of us have. Why? Because not many of us have the cohones to push 20psi of boost on one. At the 14-17psi levels a lot of bolt on trucks push, the Apten is the king of the HP/$$ domain.

The testing we did here was an Apten ported at 19-20psi vs the MP at about 22 psi. The Apten had a 2.8" upper whereas the MP had a 2.7". The MP was definitely blowing harder (easy to tell from the increased boost levels seen), and produced a whopping 14RWHP/torque over the Apten, and these were definitely in the 20psi range. This testing was done on a stock block truck too. An improvement yes, but is it really worth it?

Now, for those wanting copious amounts of boost on a BUILT BLOCK, an MP would definitely fill the bill. Many (including myself) would simply say at that point just skip the MP meal deal and go straight to the KB dessert. The MP is definitely a good alternative for those seeking a happy medium between the Apten ported and a KB.

 

This is the Best Title and Post I've seen in ages,
Good one M O P


quote:
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Originally posted by Master Of Pain
MT: My wife will continue to blow hard and cheap

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I AGREE

Or just do like I do and charge EVERYTHING

I charged Mc D's the other day (first time ever) aint that some schitt that you can pay for a burger on a drive through now with ez pass or ANY CC

I wanted a MP soooooooooo bad, but I keep seeing and hearing the same thing about it not being much diff than a ported Eaton ?
WHAT DO YOU MP USERS THINK??? Cause I still want one.....

 

Rocks,
First, the testing was done at JLP, and it was data logged. My maf was not pegged, I have an extender on it. My L has a very impressive dyno graph with the Apten ported Eaton. We tested the blowers at 15 psi and then 17psi. We were running out of bigger pulleys to try. Yes, the Apten is outta breath @ 17psi on my L, but the MP was still down on hp & tq , the only time the MP exceeded the Apten was @ 5400rpms. At 5400 rpms most L's are shifting gears! The power was down with the MP about 20-25 hp across the board and was down about 30ftlb tq. across the board. I guess we could have stuck a custom lower pulley on and tried to push 20+psi, but we didn't. The testing was done with the same amount of timing and we did not need to change the a/f. No other changes were made to the program.
We did come to the conclussion that if we did push 20+ psi out of the MP we could have exceeded the Apten. For a couple of reasons we did not do this, 1st, we did not have the pulleys, it would need a custom lower and a smaller upper. 2nd, I felt that the power I was making at 15 psi was safer, meaning, less belt slip, not having to run colder plugs, and less strain on the motor.
By the way, yes I have a built motor by JLP with stage 3 JLP cams, ported heads, longtube headers and we were running a 10lb lower with the 2.8 upper pulleys (the MP was measured around 2.9).
When I get home I will post the dyno sheets and maybe Johnny can give his perspective.
Josh
PS: Rocks, That cold day in hell is coming soon, well maybe spring time. Myself and others are coming close to the 10's with a ported Eaton, there are guys who have ran 121mph with a ported eaton, I went 119mph with a slipping tranny at 4900lbs.

 

Since you were datalogging - Were the various temps the same for all the runs ? Including IAT1, IAT2, CHT, ECT, Tanny temps etc ?? If not then the comparisons really arent fair

We all know how sensitive these trucks are to heat. Here in Dallas its been 50 degrees the last few days which is cold for us... My truck is running like it has nitrous

 

We ran the truck at the same operating temps, IAT1 was within 1 degree of all the runs, I don't have the other temps, I'll have to ask Johnny about the others. It was all tested the same day. But for a back to back test I believe we were very fair in all the tests.
Josh

 

does the repairman resemble this man?

 

I placed my vote last night:



Maytag MCD2257HES

There goes my mod budget for about a year.

 

If people do not buy the results of the testing let them spend 1600.00 to find out for themselves

I opt for the ported Heaton!

 

Get the Maytag now and use the good will to get the Whipple later. It will be available soon.

 

I want to believe the whipple will be here soon.. I really do... but I see no light at the end of the tunnel