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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 03:15 AM
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Okay, let me make this argument, for what it's worth.
I have enough money to put any transmission part I want on my truck, I have the contacts in the business to get any part availible, and quite a few that are not, including prototypes and test units. I have knowledge of transmissions in general and most paticularly the 4R100 that even if you don't like me, you have to admit very few people outside Ford have access to. I have a database of transmission repairs for prety much anything that can go wrong with a 4R100, it litterally covers what happens when every single part in the transmission fails and what effect that has on the unit, how it fails, what damage it causes, etc... just from what I do at my day job. And I have a machine shop in house that is capable of making any part I think I need if by chance no one on the planet makes what I want. On top of that, I have years of experience with the accumulator, and a database of pretty much every possible modification of it and what effect that has, a knowledge base that exceeds even what Ford has, because I do a lot of experiments that they just weren't interested in doing, and don't forget, all that they did I have at least some access to as well. If I have a question about something, I go down the aisle and ask the engineer who 'owns" that part. Suffice to say, if there's anything in my transmission, I have no excuse for it being there if it's not the absolute best part there is, anywhere, or at least in my own opinion, which again, even if you don't like me, you have to admit that over 25 years I may have picked up a few things that are beyond what most people know about automatic transmissions. The accumulator in my truck is the exact same one I sell. (well, this week anyhow, I do use my own truck for experiments from time to time) And I wouldn't use anything else, not just because I built it, but because every one I've ever seen, every single one, is missing at least something, and quite a few are missing a lot. Really. I'm not the most unbiased observer, but I am one of the more qualified, if I do say so myself. I've never seen anyone post an explanation like the one I made above, and the last serious attempt by someone to do so was a sorry excuse for an attempt I think (see the Florida site, if you haven't yet) I've not noticed any of them yet building a 4R70W valve body (it's harder to copy), or any of my 5R110W parts (they're being patented). Five years ago, your choice was buying 3 springs and line mod valve for $150 or just the line mod valve for $99, in that context, $225 for the valve body is pretty cheap, espeically since it's still to this day the only one properly balanced for the larger line mod valve. And I wouldn't expect them to keep offereing them that cheap either, Ford is now charging $100 core deposit on new accumulators, I hit this charge right off, because I buy 100 of them at a time, eventually, there existing stock will run out and they'll have this cost as well, core charges are a reality, not my choice. We've sold 7,300 Factory Tech Accumulators so far, which works out to about one for every six lightnings built, something must be working right. And I still don't know of one ever failing.

And I would echo something Tim said, when was the last time anyone from Art Carr or Pat came on here and answered questions, provided help, sent out the odd part for free, donated to the local clubs, gave prizes for the raffles worth thousands of dollars? I've given away over 100 valve bodies for clubs and charity, 3 monster boxes ($3250 each), 73 cooler kits($165 each), and 17 converters($950 each), do the math, I never bothered until now. I've done this for years, and yeah, it's great advertising, but I could certainly spend it on print ads instead that would reach more people.


Okay, I'll shut up now,

G

(edited for 4 AM spelling/typing)
 

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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 06:33 AM
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Gregg has answered 90% of every tranny question asked between here and nloc. He personally has answered every one I posted. His parts and top notch and his CS is beyond what most normal companies can even comprehend.

I have the 2c and it rocks. Lets just say every valve body made is great and equel to each other.....now how many other vendors would help you out with ANY questions?. How many vendors like gregg give to the community? I could ramble on but it come to this.
Great parts
Great service
Great guy


P.S Gregg feel FREE to send me a MonsterBox when you get a chance and I'll put your name all over my L in huge vinyl layout.
 
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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 02:59 PM
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This wasn't supposed to offend anyone or any product. I come to this website because it by far has the most experienced people to help. I also come here to do research about different products which is hard to do sometimes because the people here have very firm opinions and tend to remain loyal to their vendors (which is great). However, it's nice when someone sticks their neck out on the block and talks about the "not-the-most-popular" part because I want to hear about that part too and not get a response like "FTVB all the way". Why?? Have you done a comparison? Did you have an open mind and do the research and comparison if applicable? If it's because Gregg is a great guy and I bought it because of his service alone then that's great because you told me why. I'm sorry to say that I don't always have the money to get the most expensive part and if it's the exact same part then I sometimes opt for the lower cost. I've bought parts from LFP and JLP and, quite frankly, they have great customer service too. I haven't made up my mind yet so I may still buy the FTVB, but then again maybe not.
 
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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by Almightywad
This wasn't supposed to offend anyone or any product. I come to this website because it by far has the most experienced people to help. I also come here to do research about different products which is hard to do sometimes because the people here have very firm opinions and tend to remain loyal to their vendors (which is great). However, it's nice when someone sticks their neck out on the block and talks about the "not-the-most-popular" part because I want to hear about that part too and not get a response like "FTVB all the way". Why?? Have you done a comparison? Did you have an open mind and do the research and comparison if applicable? If it's because Gregg is a great guy and I bought it because of his service alone then that's great because you told me why. I'm sorry to say that I don't always have the money to get the most expensive part and if it's the exact same part then I sometimes opt for the lower cost. I've bought parts from LFP and JLP and, quite frankly, they have great customer service too. I haven't made up my mind yet so I may still buy the FTVB, but then again maybe not.
I think when Gregg him self jsut described his product in great detail...What else do want to know? I guess you can wait untill other companies that produce a VB come on here and explain there product. That seems like a long wait.
I'll tell you why I did not buy a JLP Level 10... I ask him why I should purchase it over the FTVB and all he said was it cheaper and I use it my race truck. OK that fine. Ive seen the CS the G.E provides and that ALONE made my decision on it.
Purchse what you will but you will never get DIRECT PERSONAL CARE form JLP or LFP since neiter of them produce it..they only sell it. Dont get me JL.....I love you man and you allways been good to me in case you read this.
 
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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 04:20 PM
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I think (from what I've read on this board, and from others), that Gregg is the most experienced and most informed. I base my decision on that. Research and Developement is a big issue when it comes to parts you put on your 33K truck...I believe he has done the most...

-dennis
 
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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 04:29 PM
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I'll stop now.
 

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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 05:04 PM
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I purchased a Diablo accumulator line mod valve back in 2001 and it shifted like crap. I purchased a FTMB in 2002 and the truck shifted great and have had no problems.
How is that for a comparision?
Why don't you buy the part from LFP and get back to us about how good it is along with LFP service.

I get people shopping in my store all the time. They want me to give them an opinion of one product vs. another. I always give my opinion and the customer is free to make their decision. Many of those who make the wrong decision come in a couple of years later and tell me they should have went with the better usually more expensive product.
 

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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by easterisland
I purchased a Diablo accumulator line mod valve back in 2001 and it shifted like crap. I purchased a FTMB in 2002 and the truck shifted great and have had no problems.
How is that for a comparision?
Why don't you buy the part from LFP and get back to us about how good it is along with LFP service.

I get people shopping in my store all the time. They want me to give them an opinion of one product vs. another. I always give my opinion and the customer is free to make their decision. Many of those who make the wrong decision come in a couple of years later and tell me they should have went with the better usually more expensive product.
Thanks, I will.
 
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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 10:42 PM
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Gregg,
God give you strength as my friend Trev says to me. LOL

You have a great product, more knowledge than anyone can ask for, great service, and are a decent guy from what I have seen over time. Yet it's still not enough sometimes. What's a guy to do?
 
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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 10:56 PM
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He hasn't done anything wrong.
 

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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 11:22 PM
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I got a used FTVB for $100.00. When I was looking for info about the install, I found a post by Greg about how to tell a real FTVB from a "fake" one. When I asked him about it he said it was real, but an older one. He said to send him my address so he could send me a new one. I didn't ask him to do this, it never crossed my mind that he would, he just offered to do it, and did it with out me sendind the old one first. Thanks again FT


When I was looking at them I was thinking $225 was a little high for a "shift kit". Now I would gladly pay full price for it.

I have a video of my truck (only have holes in stock air box, home made traction bars, and FTVB) that sounds like I barked 2-3 shift at the track.


The FTVB is one of the best mods for the Lightning.
 
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Old Nov 13, 2004 | 12:22 AM
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I need to get this straight.

LFP has a harder (aggressive) shift?

So, for a young guy who wants an aggresive feel from my L without giving my passengers whiplash or something...
Which one would be better? I'm thinking LFP so far. It is a daily driver so I do a good amount of "normal" driving.
 
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Old Nov 13, 2004 | 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by olefafl
I got a used FTVB for $100.00. When I was looking for info about the install, I found a post by Greg about how to tell a real FTVB from a "fake" one. When I asked him about it he said it was real, but an older one. He said to send him my address so he could send me a new one. I didn't ask him to do this, it never crossed my mind that he would, he just offered to do it, and did it with out me sendind the old one first. Thanks again FT


When I was looking at them I was thinking $225 was a little high for a "shift kit". Now I would gladly pay full price for it.

I have a video of my truck (only have holes in stock air box, home made traction bars, and FTVB) that sounds like I barked 2-3 shift at the track.


The FTVB is one of the best mods for the Lightning.
Haven't heard from you in a while. Are you coming to another meet soon?
 
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by Almightywad
Haven't heard from you in a while. Are you coming to another meet soon?
I live in Indiana, and I don't know when we will be visiting my sister-inlaw again. When we do, I will check and see if you guys are meeting again, I had a great time. Do you have any pics with me in them?
 
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 09:11 AM
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One happy customer here

Hands down to GE FTVB
 
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