Hello,

I was wondering what the maximum NOS shot is with VP gas/BP 93 mix, about a 100 octane mix, on a Lightning block with all the usual bolt-ons.

I hear rob02 was using a really nice NOS kit and was wondering what his experiences of it we`re and ANY details.

anyone else who runs NOS please post model of kit and what shot you run.

Thanks,
Tony

 

first off, NOS is a brand, not nitrous. now, if you've been reading some of my threads, i'm installing a wet zex kit with a 50 shot. with this small of shot, its going to be more of a cooling device.

most people **** and mone saying that nitrous will blow your motor up blah,blah,blah. i'm sure that more boost will have a worse out come, esp with these s/c's that use pattles to blow more hot air into the engine, instead of compressed like the twin screw's that k/b sells.

keep reading my threads, and i'll let you know how the outcome is.

good luck
later
chiz

 

WTF does that mean?

I guess you have pulled a motor apart that has many nitrous runs on it compared to a motor that doesn't?
The only difference I can see is that the nitrous users haver to keep a full bottle on the ready where as the non-nitrous users have their power ready all the time.

I'll continue to paddle the hot air into my non-nitrous, stock longblock motor and run low 12's-high 11's all day, every day thank you.



Back to the orginal question........you can, many have, run a 75 shot of juice thru your stock motor safely.

 

THAT’S MY PAL GATOR AND I AGREE

Tony,

It seems as time goes on, tunes, knowledge, correct thinking,
a few of the correct Mods, AND a great Tuner have allowed us to push a little more than we may have 2 years ago, and prob run safer. Gator, myself, and hundreds of others are at 500/600
and even much higher on stock blocks these days. I happen to think there's an advantage OF NOT putting the motor through all that stress 24/7 when WOT, so I only do it while spraying. Gator and thousand of other rather have that power 24/7, schitt so would I, but I still hope my thinking will save my stock block till the Gen III's come out, plus I have PLENTY of power and ET without it.

As Gator said, and as your saying, Nitrous IS NOT something to be afraid of, and NO it does not and will not destroy your motor, UNSAFE TUNES and UNSAFE POWER LEVELS DESTROY MOTORS. People pushing it more than they should destroy motors.

As most know I was spraying in 1979 on my Motor Cycle, and have been since on numerous cars through the years. I still HAVE NOT lost a Motor or even broken a Tranny or Rear with it.
However over time I do find the tranny is usually the first thing to give you trouble "if they aren't beefed up"

Of course all of this is based on safety and how much you’re spraying. 150HP on a old strong powerful Chevy Big Block or Small Block was usually my thing, but with the Lightning I think most of us will agree 50HP use to be about as high as you wanted to go, but now a days with the knowledge and tunes I say 75HP is very safe with a maximum of 4lbs of pulley, good fuel (like your using), COLD PLUGS, AND A SUPER RICH AF, I also WOULD NOT go higher than 16 degrees of timing.
(Of course I go against all that, but WOULD NOT recommend it)


My original set up was a filter chip n pulley, and the Zex Kit with 65 HP Jets. With 4lbs of Pulley I ran twin 12.0's first time out AT 100% FULL WEIGHT. Later I steped it up to 75HP and 6 lbs of Pulley and ran that Awesome 11.81 @113.9, WOO HOO......
Of course L's need cold air and good tracks to put down the big numbers ALL THE TIME, so my average Nitrous ET's have been more like 12.0's (got I got a bunch of them now) and it seems the worse ET's are 12.1's .

I think 4lbs + 75 HP will put you right at 11.8 - 12.1
Just make sure you run 2 zones colder plugs, good octane, not too much timing, and be pig rich at hi RPM hi MPH while spraying.
Soon I will be running 100HP Nitrous but I'll back down some boost and see if that Combo is a little stronger and puts down better Numbers on Hot or Humid Track Day (like they all seem to be lately)

 

I've got a rule of thumb that IMO seems to hold pretty true.

30% - 35% rule.

When you get to power levels on a stock motor that exceed 35% more than what it was designed for... Your on the ragged edge of ***longevity***. Above that power level can indeed be had. However your over the edge and can't expect it to last too awfull long.

IMO 25% increase over stock is definately doable from a 100,000 mile perspective. Especially if you keep all the fluids fresh and don't run it too hard when the motor is cold.

Rich

 

one of the people selling porgressive nitrous systems told me I could run a 100shot if I kept the boost and timing pretty mild and after reading this stuff it sounds like a bad idea.

whata you think rob?

BTW...I got the website for your webpage.

Thanks for all the help guys!,
Tony

 

I'm going to go against all your guys thinking about the amount of power that can be extracted from a motor. Unless a motor is known to have bad rods or pistons it can handle a lot of power if peak pressures are controlled with timing. I could go on all day about why nitrous is safe and why you can make a lot of safe power from it, but I'm not in the mood to type a lot today.

Trev the owner of Highpower told me something interesting the other day. He saw a show where if you dive deep enough in water you will start to breathe liquid oxygen. When doing this you need to re-think the way you breathe or you will choke and spit-up. The same theory holds true when using nitrous. People need to rethink what they have been taught and told as most of it is garbage and lies. Obviously people will tell me I'm wrong as this is a hard concept to grasp, but it's true. Nitrous products and knowledge in the main is not correct and it's that simple. A person can keep on believing what they think is right and be inferior in performance, or you can open your mind up and be at the front of the pack. I don't care personally what path you take.

 

I can show you people running 200-300% more power with over 100,000 miles on their motors and have no issues. I run 150% over stock with factory timing and will be at 200% when I get a retard box. I have over 30k miles and my motor runs as smooth as ever.

 

AND ME AND YOU ARE GOING TO PROVE THAT SOON DENNY MY FRIEND, WHEN I STEP IT UP TO 100 HP AND TAKE SOME TIMING AND BOOST AWAY


And to answer you again Tony,
That person and that site, and that progressive system your prob
talking about is Race Tested and Denny "who just posted above",
and MY CURRENT SET UP, WOO HOO

We've already put down some great Dyno numbers with the new system, and in a month or two when it cools off, we'll put down some serious numbers with the new system at the track.

Race Tested has an entire differant approach from every angle. The pressure used in spraying, the type of lines used, the unlimited amount of delivery options available, their specially designed Nozzle, and the heart of of it all, their LIFE TIME WRRNTY'D Solenoids.

I even noticed on Trev's UK Site, they actually use to offer (and maybe still do) Nitrous Insurance. THATS RIGHT NITROUS INSURANCE, when have you ever heard of that before,
Make no mistake, Race Tested makes an amazing Product, and has many advantages over WHAT WE WERE USE TO.
There is NO DOUBT a progressive system CAN and DOES provide a safer Nitrous experience, and YES it also allows you to run more HP. As I said originally, I WILL BE stepping it up, and I DO expect to put down some great results............

 

My friend sent me this link as I havent been on the board in awhile.

Once I get the new instruction manuals finished along with our base brackets, I will start to come on more often and probably become a supporting vendor. Then I will have the freedom to show people what nitrous can really do.

How does a 9 second viper with a stock bottom end sound, or a stock internal 4x4 3.3L v-6 SUV doing 12's? Time for people to see the reality of what a good design, ambition, and product over profit can do.

 

I for one, do not hesitate to believe everything your are saying about this nitrous system..........

But, I think your breath would be taken away, if you could see what Ford supplied us for connecting rods, in a so-called, high performance vehicle.
Ever wonder why Ford spent the coins to install Manley rods in the new Cobra?

 

so what causes rods to pop, detonation or just running too much HP?

sounds like I'm gonna order a shortblock and re-use my old heads and cams.

Thanks,
Tony

 

Gator,
I will completely agree with you that if a component is weak then it can even fail without any mods. BUT motors being destroyed by let's say 100 hp from a power adder can be prevented by a better tune or better product. As much as I see some tuners having huge shops and appear successful, I have to wonder how it all happened when they forget all the basics to making a vehicle run it's best, and this is keeping timing in check and peak cylinder pressures down. As easy as nitrous kit is to install I have seen the manufacturers themselves in magazines with a wrong install on a company car. Not to mention customers cars not near me that I had to sort out as the so called "expert" nitrous installers they used messed the damn installs up.

Enough venting for now.

 

Tony,
Detonation can occur when peak cylinder pressures are to extreme and this can cause rods to beak. If you can control peak pressures but add a lot more pressure to the rest of the power stroke then safe power can be added. Once the peak pressure period is over the rest of the power stroke only sees a fraction of the pressure and this is why you can add so much power safely. You can even add a massive amount of power with a high amount of retarded timing as safe cylinder pressures are what accelerates and high peak pressures just cause a thermal shock load that the motor usually doesn't recover from.

Sorry, I had to edit as I said advanced and meant retarded timing. So for the people saying I was an idiot when reading the original statement were right.

 

WOW this is weird, I replied to this before and now it's gone ???

Nice to hear from you Denny, hope all is well
It's been a busy summer for me too, it goes quick and there's soooooo much to do, but I'm loving every minute, hope your enjoying it the same.... I got one more vacation to do with Jr up in Lake George starting late next week, but Racing season will be upon us shortly so it's time to get my Beast tweaked and ready to rock.

As Gator said, unfortunatly Ford DOES have a weak link in the Lightning's and it's surely the rods. But I believe with a little less Boost, and a little less Timing, and a little more Nitrous, I will have a faster and even safer set up than I'm currently running.
With them closing my Local Track, and me now having to make 500 mile round trips (in one day) to Race, I MUST MAKE THEM COUNT ALSO. With that in mind, here's my plan:

When it gets a little cooler and I FINALLY get back to the track, the first pass will be "AS IT IS" to compare apples to apples against the Zex System I was running for @ 2 years. Then I want to Step it up to 100 HP Jets and go for a Number. I have built much safety into my tune, and although I'm running what most would consider too much timing for Nitrous, I have tried lower programs on numerous ocassions and it truly ran like crap, and much slower. HOWEVER I do have the option of backing down to only 4lbs of extra pulley, and simply shutting my chip off, and instead run on the stock computer program and of course the stock timing, (which is 6-8 degrees less than I run now) I think I'm willing to try that, and it would be totally safe with all the extra fuel the Nitrous System will be dumping in,
but if not I also have a second (spare chip) with a program @ 3-4 degrees less timing than I currently have which is also set up perfect for Nitrous, (proper shift points, rev limiter/fuel cutoff, etc... and then spraying 100 HP which if anything will be less HP than I currently run, hence even safer.

That day will be here before you know it and Gator here is my Pal and Race Partner, the SOB gets me dam near every time right at the tree, or by 1/10th Et at the other end of the 1320. BUT FOR THE RECORD I HAVE THE FASTER ET YET TO DATE with the 11.81.
So the goal here is when me and him line up on JDM day, WE TEACH HIM A LESSON ONCE AND FOR ALL.
It's ok Denny, you can say it
BE AFRAID GATOR
BE VERY AFRAID