Bumpsteer kit installed!!!!!!!!!!
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Bumpsteer kit installed!!!!!!!!!!
The F150/Lightning bumpsteer is complete!!!!! The difference is night and day! Words can't say enough!
Couple pics:
Look at the linkage...perfectly straight!
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-Monty
Couple pics:
Look at the linkage...perfectly straight!
http://www.mustangmods.com/data/175/p1010245.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/data/175/p1010244.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/data/175/p1010243.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/data/175/p1010242.jpg
-Monty
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More detail please......
Who sells the kit and any contact info?
How much for the kit?
What were the improvements..........does steering wheel return to center better or have a higher caster steering feel? ......Is there less steering wandering?
Who sells the kit and any contact info?
How much for the kit?
What were the improvements..........does steering wheel return to center better or have a higher caster steering feel? ......Is there less steering wandering?
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The kit is being sold by Eric at www.x-m-p.com
He custom fabricated the kit for me and will begin offering it to all F150/Lightning/HD owners next week.
The price of the kit will be $199 (I believe).
Bump-steer is a change in toe angle caused by the suspension moving up or down. The effect of bump-steer is for the wheel to toe-in or toe-out when the suspension moves up or down. This toe change or “steering” occurs any time the suspension moves, whether it is from body roll, brake-dive, or hitting a bump in the road. Bump steer is undesirable because the suspension is steering the car instead of the driver. Lowering any vehicle increases bumpsteer. The lower the vehicle, the larger the change in bumpsteer.
If the toe changes more than a very small amount it will cause the car to change direction, making the car unstable and unpredictable.
The kit basically sets the steering geometry back to stock, or center and prevents the violent vibration. It's an adjustable piece that bolts through spindle and allows for wide range of adjustment.
It's a must have for us lowered peeps!
-Monty
He custom fabricated the kit for me and will begin offering it to all F150/Lightning/HD owners next week.
The price of the kit will be $199 (I believe).
Bump-steer is a change in toe angle caused by the suspension moving up or down. The effect of bump-steer is for the wheel to toe-in or toe-out when the suspension moves up or down. This toe change or “steering” occurs any time the suspension moves, whether it is from body roll, brake-dive, or hitting a bump in the road. Bump steer is undesirable because the suspension is steering the car instead of the driver. Lowering any vehicle increases bumpsteer. The lower the vehicle, the larger the change in bumpsteer.
If the toe changes more than a very small amount it will cause the car to change direction, making the car unstable and unpredictable.
The kit basically sets the steering geometry back to stock, or center and prevents the violent vibration. It's an adjustable piece that bolts through spindle and allows for wide range of adjustment.
It's a must have for us lowered peeps!
-Monty
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What Exactly is Bumpsteer? The technical definition of bumpsteer is a change in toe angle caused by the suspension moving up or down. Bumpsteer is built into the geometry of the suspension and steering system, and has nothing to do with turning the steering wheel. The effect of bumpsteer is for the wheel to toe-in or toe-out when the suspension moves up or down. This toe change or “steering” occurs any time the suspension moves, whether it is from body roll, brake-dive, or hitting a bump in the road. Bumpsteer is undesirable because the suspension is steering the car instead of the driver.
To fix a bumpsteer problem, you need to alter the height of outer tie-rod relative to the steering rack. Small changes in this relationship can be made with offset rack bushings. Making big changes requires adjustable tie-rod ends, also known as a bumpsteer kit.
To fix a bumpsteer problem, you need to alter the height of outer tie-rod relative to the steering rack. Small changes in this relationship can be made with offset rack bushings. Making big changes requires adjustable tie-rod ends, also known as a bumpsteer kit.
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Originally posted by EZGZ
What Exactly is Bumpsteer? The technical definition of bumpsteer is a change in toe angle caused by the suspension moving up or down. Bumpsteer is built into the geometry of the suspension and steering system, and has nothing to do with turning the steering wheel. The effect of bumpsteer is for the wheel to toe-in or toe-out when the suspension moves up or down. This toe change or “steering” occurs any time the suspension moves, whether it is from body roll, brake-dive, or hitting a bump in the road. Bumpsteer is undesirable because the suspension is steering the car instead of the driver.
To fix a bumpsteer problem, you need to alter the height of outer tie-rod relative to the steering rack. Small changes in this relationship can be made with offset rack bushings. Making big changes requires adjustable tie-rod ends, also known as a bumpsteer kit.
What Exactly is Bumpsteer? The technical definition of bumpsteer is a change in toe angle caused by the suspension moving up or down. Bumpsteer is built into the geometry of the suspension and steering system, and has nothing to do with turning the steering wheel. The effect of bumpsteer is for the wheel to toe-in or toe-out when the suspension moves up or down. This toe change or “steering” occurs any time the suspension moves, whether it is from body roll, brake-dive, or hitting a bump in the road. Bumpsteer is undesirable because the suspension is steering the car instead of the driver.
To fix a bumpsteer problem, you need to alter the height of outer tie-rod relative to the steering rack. Small changes in this relationship can be made with offset rack bushings. Making big changes requires adjustable tie-rod ends, also known as a bumpsteer kit.
BTW, I have no ownership or partnership with this shop or this kit. They just stepped up and were willing to work with me to fab this kit.
I was tired of hearing "no" to this, and "no" to that. Why should only Chevy guys get all the parts?!
-Monty
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Monty:
I'm weeping tears of joy. THANK YOU for your pioneering efforts.
What does XMP charge for install and alignment? I am running 2 degrees of camber right now. I would like to get it back down towards 1.
The pic of the alignment specs is cool, but what about the bump steer specs? Just so people are not confused, one has little to do with the other. One can have perfect alignment and crappy bump steer. I know that I do. Alignment is a static measure; bump steer is a dynamic measurement, i.e., HOW MUCH does the toe in/out change as the suspension moves?
Did XMP provide you with the bump steer specs? For the purposes of this $200, that is all that counts!
On a related note, Monty, you seem excited about the change in handling. But did you get the alignment specs changed at the same time? If so, that is a no-no. Irrespective of bump steer, little changes in alignment can make a HUGE difference in handling.
Finally, you now have heims as the tie rod ends. I hope that you realize that this is now a maintenance item. These need to be cleaned and lubricated regularly. If the heims get worn and develop a little play, you will long for the days when all you had was bump steer!
I will be looking up XMP soon. Remember, I have dibs on set #2, right?
I'm weeping tears of joy. THANK YOU for your pioneering efforts.
What does XMP charge for install and alignment? I am running 2 degrees of camber right now. I would like to get it back down towards 1.
The pic of the alignment specs is cool, but what about the bump steer specs? Just so people are not confused, one has little to do with the other. One can have perfect alignment and crappy bump steer. I know that I do. Alignment is a static measure; bump steer is a dynamic measurement, i.e., HOW MUCH does the toe in/out change as the suspension moves?
Did XMP provide you with the bump steer specs? For the purposes of this $200, that is all that counts!
On a related note, Monty, you seem excited about the change in handling. But did you get the alignment specs changed at the same time? If so, that is a no-no. Irrespective of bump steer, little changes in alignment can make a HUGE difference in handling.
Finally, you now have heims as the tie rod ends. I hope that you realize that this is now a maintenance item. These need to be cleaned and lubricated regularly. If the heims get worn and develop a little play, you will long for the days when all you had was bump steer!
I will be looking up XMP soon. Remember, I have dibs on set #2, right?
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Seems like the stock alignment specs would work...if the tie rod is the same lenght as the bump steer replacement end link and adjustablle as the stock item. Perpendicular movement would alow for retention of stock setting throughout the wheels movement...then again I could be wrong....I have been before.
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Originally posted by Tim Skelton
Monty:
I'm weeping tears of joy. THANK YOU for your pioneering efforts.
What does XMP charge for install and alignment? I am running 2 degrees of camber right now. I would like to get it back down towards 1.
Monty:
I'm weeping tears of joy. THANK YOU for your pioneering efforts.
What does XMP charge for install and alignment? I am running 2 degrees of camber right now. I would like to get it back down towards 1.
Well, since my kit was the first, it took a few hours to get everything working correctly because we had to make last minute modifications which will be applied to the full production units. The new kits will make for a perfect fit and shouldn't take more than 1-2 hours to install. (I think their hourly rate is $80).
Originally posted by Tim Skelton The pic of the alignment specs is cool, but what about the bump steer specs? Just so people are not confused, one has little to do with the other. One can have perfect alignment and crappy bump steer. I know that I do. Alignment is a static measure; bump steer is a dynamic measurement, i.e., HOW MUCH does the toe in/out change as the suspension moves?
Did XMP provide you with the bump steer specs? For the purposes of this $200, that is all that counts!
Did XMP provide you with the bump steer specs? For the purposes of this $200, that is all that counts!
Originally posted by Tim Skelton
On a related note, Monty, you seem excited about the change in handling. But did you get the alignment specs changed at the same time? If so, that is a no-no. Irrespective of bump steer, little changes in alignment can make a HUGE difference in handling.
On a related note, Monty, you seem excited about the change in handling. But did you get the alignment specs changed at the same time? If so, that is a no-no. Irrespective of bump steer, little changes in alignment can make a HUGE difference in handling.
What I can say is that handling over uneven, broken or damaged roads has improved signficantly! You'll definately notice a difference.
Originally posted by Tim Skelton
Finally, you now have heims as the tie rod ends. I hope that you realize that this is now a maintenance item. These need to be cleaned and lubricated regularly. If the heims get worn and develop a little play, you will long for the days when all you had was bump steer!
I will be looking up XMP soon. Remember, I have dibs on set #2, right?
Finally, you now have heims as the tie rod ends. I hope that you realize that this is now a maintenance item. These need to be cleaned and lubricated regularly. If the heims get worn and develop a little play, you will long for the days when all you had was bump steer!
I will be looking up XMP soon. Remember, I have dibs on set #2, right?
He's actually going to produce 5 sets in the next week or two. Give him a call and you'll find he'll have no problem spending 20-30 minutes on the phone with you discussing all the details and answering all your questions!
I'll give you a call Saturday or Sunday. If you're around, I'll stop by to return your stock control arms and that'll give you a chance to check out my install!
-Monty
