Yep you are out of line..

JJ has the privilege of being the single most often banned person on this board. Time after time lying about it and time after time reregistering and violating the registation rules.

For a time in the past he made it is mission to discredit me and Steve the webmaster and F150online using every method he could. He contacted us a few months back about a similar twisted charity opportunity and was very upset when we didn't encourage him.

He does have other motives. History has shown he ALWAYS has other motives. I would tell him to promote the Event on other sites but as far as I know he isn't welcome on NLOC or on SVTPerformance either.

Finally the event is poorly thought out and is all about JJ. If he was really interested in raising lots of money for the charity ideas like Sal's or the others mentioned here would have netted a great deal more $$, been better received and more practical.

He certainly shoud have known when he askd his boy Bruce to post this that it wouldnt be well received since he had already run a similar charity idea past Steve and I.

In the end its all about the most banned member ever using Steve's bandwidth to promote his pet charity. As I stated earlier - I make my charitable donations in a more private fashion. A check mailed to the chosen charity usually does the trick....

 

Well Doug I apologize. I guess I am still new to the board and did not know his history. I saw it as a guy trying to do a good thing and you 2 ripping it up and ruining it for no reason. You obviously had reasons that warranted your actions, so I hope you accept the apology....Still for a good cause though no matter how f*cked up the guy really is.
Unless Spina Bifida is really Latin for JJ's truck mod fund

I just wanted to see a fist fight at the track between the tuners... oh well.

 

While I agree the charity is a bit lame to change after the original post was made. Its simple dont attend the event if you dont like the rules or payouts.

It really is a put up or shut up event, Sal would your truck make the event if JJ changed his mind and paid cash to the winner ? As far as all the whinning about having X amount of dollars for this and that, its all more whinning. Racing at our level and even NMRA or FFW(SSO or Pro) is never a money making deal. You have a $100 grand into your race car, between $50,000- $250,000 in tow vehicle and that still doesnt cover the fuel bill, entry fees or expenses required to operate the car for a weekend. Even if you dominate a season you will still loose money at the end of a year. Its about having fun and making the best of it, I dont see people whinning about going for a best number when they are invited to MM&FF shootout. In closing I will leave it at this, Sal why do you have $60,000 into your truck to win a $400 prize in the NMRA

I dont think Halflife was out of line, JJ has put up the money. You want complain about it, dont just complain offer a solution. Maybe another Vendor will put up more or maybe even a Truck Board will put up a bigger purse.

This is racing, Run what you brung and hope you brung enuff.

Like I asked, Sal would your truck be ready if the purse changed or is this just another ploy for 1 vendor to bash another and cheerleaders jump in.

 

Ok time for one of these

maybe 2

 

This is exactly what's wrong with the people on these forums. Those kinds of statements are the ones that start all the "tuner bashing", not the comments made by tuners (usually). Nobody was bashing anything, and I never said anything about my truck coming to this event or not. I was just making a general statement based on what was posted. I would have made that same statement if I wasn't a vendor. I think the idea behind this shootout is good, I just don't think it's the right way to do it. And if I say I won't come, or I don't show up, then I get labeled as a "bad guy" but the other vendors cheerleaders. At least I have the ***** to voice my opinions up front.

 

Sal, You have cheerleaders too

 

yes, we will call them the "Mennellaets"

 

Reply;


To all concerned with this thread;

First of all, Sal, why are you worried about who pays when you break your Lightning? Your business should more than be able to pay for your Lightning and the mods that you have done to it, the payout that I am offering is a mere pittance when it comes to actually operating a racetruck on a competetive level, with that said, the reason for the charity gift of your winnings, (From the winning tuner only) is so none of the tuners that show up look like greedy bastards. Do you honestly think that my runner up finish at NMRA Reading was enough money to fix anything on my truck if it broke? Its not about the money, its about bragging rights and for the Lightning community to show up at the best east coast track and watch all of the fastest trucks go for it against eachother, then the regular guy can decide if he wants to race his truck and have a chance at a couple hundred bucks to do with what they wish. I would hope that if someone were to win 250, they could throw a couple of bucks to the charity, but its not required.


Furthermore, there will never be any kind of growth in this community if people such as Doug carry that chip on their shoulder for the rest of their lives. I am not going anywhere and I am totally emersed in the Lightning business/community as JL's number one east coast distributor/installer and next year I will be running the full NMRA circuit. I have also attended the MM&FF shootout and was told that I am invited this year when the date is set, so for individuals to still harbor ill will towards me when I have done nothing but ruffle some feathers in the past just shows their own individual flaws and weakness.

On a side note, this child is a lifelong friend of mines son, I have been arranging fundraisers and have been active in donations for this cause in the past, this was just one way for you guys to have fun and see the tuners go head to head.

If you dont like this idea, dont sign up to be a part of it. Go to the SSOTN event anyway and race and have fun with everyone else, but if you happen to be the fastest non tuner truck that day, dont ask for the money.

A month ago at the Modular shootout at MIR, I was offering up a payout if I could get 10 Lightnings to bracket race, and I stated that if I or JL were the winners, we would not take the money, but rather donate it to charity. We didnt get enough L's together, so the race never happend, but the money went to the charity anyway.

Doug, if you dont like this idea posted here, please remove this entire thread, I will advertise it elsewhere. I asked Bruce to post this info for me because of the coverage that F150 gets. I, in no way shape or form benefit from this race. ( unless I win, then I get bragging rights) but the money still goes to Corey.

Thank you for your time.

JJ@JJ's SVT PERFORMANCE


Any further questions should be directed to JJ himself. I wont post his email unless Doug says its ok to do so.

Later...

Bruce

 

I think the problem is how this idea was delivered. First it was "hey lets have a tuner shootout, and the winner gets $1000". Then it turned into "hey lets have a tuner shootout, and the promoting vendor will give $1000 to charity in the winners name". I mean come on here. Are you familiar with the Human Fund? If this whole idea STARTED as a charity thing, that would be different. But it started as a bragging rights tuner shootout, and turned into save the whales.

Like I said, the idea is great, the delivery of the idea sucked.

 

Sal's right. It's pretty weak that's the idea and information has to come 2nd party in the first place. Everything from there on went down hill. Charity is a great thing, just not when the way it gets arranged makes the cause and the people involved look bad.

Let's have a real lightning tuner shoot out. Rent the track , sell tickets, the whole nine yards. Proceeds benifet paying for expenses of the track costs. Plan the thing out right. Dont' throw up a message on a board second party email and edit it all day long.

 

Exactly

JJ you are the one who has made the mess you are in. You did it by months and months of slander and liable then followed up with years of lies and BS.

Congratulations on being JL's biggest east coast installer. I wonder how much better your business would be doing if you hadnt gotten sideways over and over with the biggest lightning websites on the net...

You had the chance many times over the years to stop the slander to stop the BS and stop reregistereing ... It was your choice to continue... Rather than sue you for slander and liable I chose to do what I can to make you live with the repercussions of your actions. It is NOT in my nature to hold a grudge but I have made an exception in your case.

Its clear that you have large loyal following, perhaps you can get the thousands of customers you have to come to your aid and help your chosen charity. ($1 a piece would add up really quickly woudnt it ?? ) But do that on your dime with your bandwidth.

Bruce you are likley risking your posting rights by replying for JJ...
Its ultimately Steves call but He was banned for a reason-

Doug

 

And this one has officially run its course.

Malign the site, while at the same time use it to your advantage.

Makes perfect sense to me.