It's also a pretty damn big camp too

Bruce, just som3 fyi for you. I think alot of these 10 second trucks don't run consistantly in the 10's for bracket for a couple reasons. But i know one of them is that there are some more rules for 10.99 and faster as far as transmission blankets or something, which there's not a whole lot of selection made for these trucks. I would look into stuff like that more than just saying the tracks can't do it. I'm sure Jim would have a better idea, or anyone who is more familiar with the NHRA and IHRA rules.........or want's to go look on their website. I can remember Jamie and Don having a conversation about something about requirements to run 10's.

 

Just to keep the record straight...BUD.....YOU brought up mister JL as a slam, acting as if it held some sort of merit for true bracket racers.

My point was only to let you know that myself and many others where not impressed with a fellow showing up simply to make low qualifier, and then bail when it was time to cut to the chase.

To enlighten you a bit...IT WAS A BRACKET EVENT. Not a big ***** contest.

Maybe next week I can attend a barbeque cook off and prepare a cake so I can claim I made the best darn cake at the event. Oh yeah....then I will haul **** out of there before anyone gets to see me eat it.

Hopefully you get my point now.


Rocks

 

You are correct..........

 

 

I am just going to answer this question since you asked.

THIS IS BRACKET RACING, not see how fast I can go racing.. For what reason (besides impressing you, I guess) should I go faster then 12.5.
THERE IS NONE.

At 12.5- I run a 1.70 60 ft. almost EVERY time.

At a 12.5 -I can run that #. basically No matter what happens.

At 12.5- I do not have to worry about running 100 octane.(believe it or not , I am cheap)

At 12.5 -I do not have to deweight (I'm Lazy)

At 12.5- I do not spin off the line

At 12.5 - I can drive my L to and from the track.

At 12.5 -I am usually in the middle of the ladder and I do not have to sit at a light to long or vise versa.

At 12.5 I do not have to woory about losing a double break-out to safty rules.

Most importantly though -At 12.5- I have won.

That is enough reason for a lot of guys to run 12.5. Again this is bracket racing , but you know that.
Also I drive far and pay a lot of money to run the FFW or NMRA events and even if I lose the first round it will not be because I have not used EVERY advantage I could think of.

I have talked to a lot of bracket racers (good ones) and have learned alot. A lot of guys have nitrous ready and armed but only use it in case of spinning or a bad light.

There is nothing wrong with leaving a 1/2 second on the table because I can guarantee you that your competion is doing everything they can to win. so why shouldn't I.

VINNIE

 

I think bruce is mad cause his truck is slow......

 

My HD only runs mid 14's, so yeah I'm mad alright

Thanks for the reply Vinnie, I understand what your saying, but if your that consistant running mid 12's, whats holding you back from being that consistant running mid 11's? besides the obvious. Its gotta be more fun running faster and beating people, just ask the fast Rangers that run in the NMRA and are in every final round(except Reading) this year.

Later...

Bruce

 

the answer to that is simply winning.......

He is most consistant where he is....so why go faster to have more fun and be less consistant. Let's face it these events are fun but people go to win. You think Don drove all the way to virginia to just go have fun??? Just like when Vinny came up to NED last FFW and cleaned house. Sure it was fun, but the W counts. It's a race...a contest..... Like Vinny said......all advantages.

 

5 NMRA races so far this year and the score is -Rangers 3, Lightnings 2. Not too shabby considering the Rangers dominate the car count. Also the Lightnings that won had dial-ins of 12.44 and 13.00. Showing the fast Lightnings and Rangers are not the most dominating vehicle in brackets.

I ran 3 (9 amd 10 second) Rangers in a row at Reading . Not ONE of them was able to run there #(Including Mark Morales). I was on the brakes hard in every pass.

I did try running faster at Virginia (IHRA) . I dialed in at 12.0. I spun twice and could not run my # and it also screwed up my lights and my 60 fts were all over the place. there was just zero consistency.

There will always be a time for going fast IMO. Just not when I am spending time and Money to win.

VINNIE

 

Bruce,

You are only on this thread to bash JDM. You brought JL into this and now you are saying I have deserters. JohnnyAC has brought a lot from JL in the past. I talked to JohnnyAC on the phone the other day and he is excited about this new combination. In fact, were supposed to be hooking up for dinner Saturday night in Atlantic City. He's ran 11.20's at 121 MPH with our built shortblock and tune with stock heads and cams. Now, he's going to step it up and I'm happy for him. He said that Johnny Lightning gave him a great deal.



If you consider that desertion than I guess these two gentleman that got tuned by us last week deserted JLP, they even left their chips here. I guess you don't read before you post because just a couple weeks ago in Texas a couple of our customers were their were running in the 10's plus the truck I was driving was in the 10's. We all went out before the third round because of traction problems. Their is a post on this board now about Johnny saying that he tested his truck and ran a 10.3 because he was spinning and Charlie had the same problems. If the track is not prepped ultra good these 900 FT-lbs of torque trucks do have traction issues. I'm sorry you are sore about us having the most 10 second trucks out their. Our guys are true bracket racers, they don't just go for the number every time out.

Jim@JDM

 

Boy...there were so many things I was going to quote...but I'm too lazy, so I'll just say.....the "Whip" might get cracking soon! (I hope to be another 10 second JDM truck this fall if $$$ works out)

Bruce...Have you ever actually bracket raced? Do you understand consistancy? Wheel spin? Hot weather? The track running out of race fuel? (it happened) I suggest you try it. I was amazed the first time I did a FFW event. As the field narrows, instead of waiting hours to run, you end up almost hot lapping. Your truck heats up, you don't have time to check things, or cool it down. Why don't you show up to one of these events and race with us instead of bashing us? As far as JL, I have no problem personally with him, and have talked with him many times at cecil, but I think what he did was crap. He "qualified" #1 with no intention of being a serious contention in the actuall race (he didn't even show up) while others are in the points race for a brand new F150 and other awards. Was his truck legal? Factory style interior? Again, I don't really want to dig on JL too much, more just to point out to you Bruce, that you have no idea how these things actually work. Come up to NED this fall, I know of at least a half dozen 10 second trucks, some who don't post here, but that can be seen having fun with them on a friday night. Isn't this ***** all about FUN anyway?

 

vinnie am I gonna see you later this month in joliet????
Lookin forward to seeing the beast and shootin the *****!!!!!
Where u staying at??????

 

God, don't do it, i will be inclined to follow

I've already got visions of long tubes dancing in my head.

 

Bruce
Here is a little example why you don't want to run full out in a bracket race.

In the 2002 FFW up at Epping when a 11 second run was like Johnny running a 9 this year all I wanted to do was be the number one qualifier and be in the 11's. Well I qualified number 1 ant a 11 something. I was all proud of myself,

When it came time to qualify I was able to run the number in the morning when it was still cool and my truck was cool. As the day went on it got warmer and I couldn't run mu number. So I got elliminated fairlly early.

So now I qualify on the faster of my two street programs. This way if the weather changes, I can either go faster or slower.

This past weekend it was real hot and humid on Saturday while on Sunday it was cooler and las humid. So I took some boost out and went to a milder program. If had been the other way around I would have gone to a more agressive program and add boost if needed.

When you bracket race you have to be able to adjust either faster or slower depending what the weather does.

Also since I have invested a lot of money into my engine and trans, when I am 700 miles from home I want to be able to drive back home. If I had turned it up close to its full potential I would have increased my chances of breaking something. Then I would have been in a big load of crap. Look what happened to JJ last year when he broke at E-Town. He had to leave his truck at the track and go back a day or so later with a truck and trailer to get his truck back home.

If I am at my local track which is a hour from my house, and knowing my friend has a tow truck 15 minutes from the track. Or if I am E-Town which is 15 minutes from Jims shop I am not afraid to turn it up and try for a 10 second run. Unlike a lot of the 10 second trucks I dont have a tow vehical and a trailer, I have to drive to most of the races.

 

Too late! Email sent...and if it doesn't happen soon, I'll at least do a few little odds and ends to up the power so I can keep up with you and E-luz!!!