I never said that, I said:

Maybe I wasn't clear. I'll put my mail order tunes against any other mail order tune OR my dyno tune against any other dyno tune. I'm not saying I'm the best but it will be comparable and very safe.

Guys, I'm not here to start trouble, really. I'm just trying to tell you what is possible. Whether you choose to believe it is another story. I could make a big long post explaining in detail why what I say is true but that would not be fair to give away SCT's proprietary info.


Once again, I'm not saying you need to buy anything from me and that's not my intent. My intent is to let you know what is possible. It's up to you to find a tuner you trust that is capable of doing this but you need to know it's possible to make an informed decision.

Also, I never said JDM will back me up as a tuner, they don't know me. But they will back up and confirm the info I told you. As will any tuner who truly understands the problem with the 01+ MAF and the correct way to make this a non-issue.

 

NMRA racers get free recalibrations from PRO-M

It only costs around $50 to become an NMRA racer

 

Hey easterisland; you have the SCT software don't you? How is everything going for you? What are you doing for a MAF on your setup?

 

I was having a hard time with the pro m blow through because it was so close to the BOV. I have everything set up now for a draw through 90mm. I haven't touched the L for a couple of weeks though. I have been trying to concentrate more on the turbo mustang and getting that put together. Sorry for the HIJACK.

 

No HIJACK there; just gathering more info

 

My game plan is a dyno tune Monday. I will let my tuner deal with the maf for now..I might also need to get some injectors...We will see what happens next week...

 

KenBMD,

You're right. Anyt tuner can have access to all four banks. Knowing what all the peramiters are is the difference between an OK tune and great tune.

I've seen jerry at work, here in Michigan at Dyno Dave's. He know's his chit. He and Chris are both very knowledgeable.

Just an FYI.....On this board, you can't be a new guy and expect to be trusted. Especially when you don't agree with one of the "Big Three" tuners on the board. It's not your fault. They have their loyal customers. Just the way it is around here.

You did right by learning from Jerry and Chris. All the tuners here would give their right nut to get their hands on a 04 Lightning Ford Cal guide....OK! Maybe both.... Don't bother having to explain. It wouldn't do any good.

I hope to schedule a tuning session here soon with jerry. As soon as I can get all my mods back from the fabricator.

 

don't mean to steal a thread its just reading this made me ask a couple question and if they are stupid questions im sorry. Question 1 so if i get the pro m 92 and whatever size injectors ya'll recommend it will be better on my truck then the 01 or up? i have a 00 by the way question 2 is it worth buying it for my truck with the injectors? question 3. have ya'll heard of the moto blue 98 mass air that rpmoutlet sells is it any good? question 4. is the 95 mass air any good and who sales it besides rpm outlet ? thanks for the time and sorry i changed the subject a little.......chris

 

Chris
Don't worry your still on subject

# 1...The only reason one would want to swap out the stock ford 90 MAF is if it has completely run out of capacity and your tuner has advised you to do so. On my own truck, I am maxing out the ford maf (hitting 5.0 volts) at about 4000 rpm and 3.5 volts tps, now that was early in the tuning stages, boost was only 17 lbs. (Yes the motor has the crap built out of it) I want to buy the SCT Pro-Racer tuning software and those peaple will tell you that the only way this system will be succesful is if you have a MAF with enough range for the engine combo that you are trying to tune and so they recommend the Pro-M MAF. There are ways to run the stock MAF and still tune the truck but that is for the pros. I am just a back yard shade tree tuner and I want to do my own stuff so I have to do what SCT tells me to do.

# 2 Again....you only need and aftermarket MAF if you are drastically over flowing the stock one (electrically speaking) but if you rely on a Pro tuner then you really shouldn't have to change the stock MAF unless they tell you to. I have already made close to 600 hp on the stock ford MAF with a mail order tuned (JLP) chip and it was lean but it ran good and I probably ran out of MAF voltage in the first 1/2 second of the dyno run.

#3- #4 I think any MAF sensor that is not stock should be followed up with a good dyno tune to get the most out of the meter. I don't think they are a good bolt on (by itself) and if you don't have the truck tuned for it you could be asking for trouble. This is just my opinion but playing with after market MAF's with out a tune up to match could lead to trouble. Other sources for the meters would be Pro-M/ Best products or Granatelli motorsports.
My .02
Dale

 

Dale; I am running out of MAF around 4700~4800RPM I have the SCT racer package, and yes you can tune around a pegged MAF. You can get the A/F's to look real good. The problems comes when the weather changes and you get denser air the motor will be consuming more air. If the MAF was working(reading in a term the computer can understand) it would adjust for the extra air. But, when it is pegged it only can go buy what the tune has set for 5 volts. If it is rich enough you will be ok; if it is not then you will run lean, and could damage your motor.

Right now I have not decided what to do for a MAF; they are expensive, and I don't want to make the wrong decision. I am going to work with the SCT guys, and figure out what to do. They are very helpful in answering your questions and helping you tune once you purchase the pro racer software.

 

Hi Casey
Since the SCT stuff can be downloaded almost forever you could make several different "weather" programs and change for the weather. But since your from Fla and the weather probably changes down there quicker and more often than it does up here in the Seattle area......that would be a PITA.
Dale

 

Well; it is not just that. Imagine if you tuned it, and were having some belt slip up top. Then you did a WOT and the belt didn't slip any. You would be moving more air up top, and that could cause a problem. A pegged MAF is just not the way to tune.

 

I agree 100%. When tuning a truck that is worth what some of your trucks are worth, why mess around with a pegged MAF? The MAF is the most important sensor on the truck. When the MAF is working correctly, tuning is a snap.

BTW, this is Ken from MD. I figured I should just go ahead and post under Apten's name so that you know who I represent.

I'm am one of the owners of Modular Depot/MD Motorsports and Apten Performance.

 

Thanks Ken
Your input IS welcome around here
Dale

 

I wasn't a fan of the Pro M Mass Air Meter last year, for some reason we could not get it tuned right for my truck.

However my opinions have changed

With the new SCT software and their new 4 bank chips I am now loving the Pro M meter. Now that they can get into and tune the Mass Air Meter peramiters with the new software my truck is running awesome again. It idles perfect and runs better than it has ever run.

I want to thank Jim at JDM, and Chris from Superchips custom, for getting my truck to run this well with my ProM meter. I have a feeling I will be running some new personal bests very soon due to the ProM and the new SCT chip.