True, but this is easily fixed with a tune using good software. The 01+ problem is not a problem at all. Granted, it makes life a bit more difficult but if you know what you are doing there is a simple fix.

 

It sounds to me that its more of a hardware issue, limitation. I do not see how different software platforms make a difference since they are limited by the capabilities of the EEC-V. The SCT and CMR both access 4 banks.

 

That's where the confusion lies. Just because you have access to all banks doesn't mean you have access to all parameters or for that matter, know what to do with those parameters when you do have access to them. I don't know Sal, but based on his comments, he's missing something. That's what I was pointing out.

People try and compare software based on how many banks it has, but there is alot more to it.

Here's a good example:

When the Predator first came out (I assume it's fixed), when you changed the gear ratio, nothing happened. Why? They had something wrong in the software. Same reason all software packages are not created equally. It's not like Ford publishes a road map to the EEC. You have to know how to access and change the parameters correctly for the software to work.

 

Sal miss something nah

 

You ever looked at, or worked with any tuning software for our trucks

 

My 2000 has a bulilt long block, KB and its' being dyno tuned by t&J performance. Tim told me that with a calibrated 92mm pro-m the MAF will not peg. I think this has already been said just trying to share something I learned.

Mike

 

Yes and I was joking....jeeezzz

 

 

Dale I have one, and have dynoed with both it and the stock one...............agree with Sal. In fact, I have it in the garage if you'd like to try it.

Steve

 

Join the club. I think I'm gonna mount mine, to remind me to let somebody else try things out before I buy them. I have the direct replacement type that Pro-M advertises as a 95 mm.

 

Hmm, How long have you been tuning with the EEC-V? The reason why I ask this is that some of the tuners on this board have years of experience and know the limitations and what can and cannot be done with the eec-v. Sal has years of experience tuning these lightnings and I'm sure he is an authority on air/fuel and timing targets, etc......... JDM has been tuning superchips before the SCT stuff came out.

 

I went ahead and bought the Pro-M 92 MAF and had it calibrated for the 60lb injectors. As soon as I pulled the meter out of the box I knew I was in trouble. Pro-M advertises the 92 as being capable of feeding 1000 hp and then they ship you a meter with an air filter on it that would barely flow enough air for a Honda Civic. The supplied air filter is a Joke.

I called Pro-M to ask about this (I already knew what they were going to say) I didn't ask about the filter I just told them it was coming off and being replaced with something with a bit more capacity and they said "you can't do that". I said "I am" doing that and what are going to be the consequences.

So to make a long story short I have to send the meter back to them with my air filter setup and have them recalibrate the meter for a nominal fee of course.

After that is done then I send this information to SCT and they create a program from it. Now if it was a stock Ford meter the new program would probably be close and need some minor adjustments. But with the Pro-M stuff the new program probably won't be close at all and could require some major tweeking.

Damn I almost forgot how much fun this was.
Dale

 

Not nearly as long as those you mentioned but a fact is a fact and if you don't want to accept it, or even have an open mind about it I can't really help you.

If you won't believe me, ask JDM. They now use SCT, have access to the same info I have and if they are paying attention, I'm sure they will back me up.

The advantage I have is that I started out with a clean slate, learning from the best two tuners in the country (Jerry W. and Chris Johnson). My mind was not clouded with all of the 'hack' tuning that has been done in the past because of inferior software. I'll put my mail order or dyno tunes up against anyone in the country without even flinching.

I'm not saying that a calibrated Pro-M will work out of the box, but with a proper tune, the EEC is NOT limited as Sal suggested. Sal is right by saying that this method will screw up load. But this is fixable through the tune. It's not a matter of opinion, it's fact. We are dealing with computers and math here, there is no room for opinion, it's either possible or it isn't.

 

Im glad sal is here to give us info on stuff not just run there mouth about knowing something with no info or answering any questions AT ALL.

or we would have nothing but the poster above saying: my **** doesnt stink go ask "insert person here" they will back me up.

 

Its great that you think that they are the greatest tuners in the country, but it is your opinion nonetheless. I have to agree that the prior platform (autologic) had some limitations but even Chris got great results as did everyone else in the nation. I still believe it comes down to years of experience. And what the tuner can do with the software.......I'm sorry, a mail order tune from across the nation will never hold up to a custome tune live at a dyno. Most back east tuners have a hard time with our california 91 gas. Your claim to pitting up your mail order tune to any of our local tuning shops shows your lack of experience. Why is it that a local shop, JBA has soo much trouble with tunes? They always host SCT events there.........Most people end up with Swanson performance or socaldiablo after dealing wth those guys.