It's like a Got Dam Skating Rink I tell You

10-12 lbs of boost @ 1/4 Throttle
12-15 when you get into it

Until it hits 2nd and goes sideways again
and you have to get out of it, AGAIN

BUT NO DETONATION BABY

 

 

IT is 26 here tonight and my boost guage recall read 14lbs with just a 4lb lower. No DETONATION but im a panzy and only running 12 degrees timming. This is to cold for Alabama we need our heat back.

 

Rob...posted this in another thread about marc 03 gettin his JLP parts but I think you'll see it here better

Hey Rob,

If I ask JL to gimme a "Rob Tune" would he know what I want? My non-nitrous setup will be pretty much like yours except a couple things:

- I only have 91 octane available to me
- Texas climate vs New York

You still think he could work around that and gimme the same tune as you? I mean you have been working on your tune for awhile and have managed to knock down some nice numbers all while being safe about it. So what do you think?

BTW I do plan to get nitrous at a later date...KINGPIN's $900 for EVERYTHING INCLUDED ZEX KIT looked mighty tempting...only thing...didn't have $900

 

I heard just listening to Rob will get your warranty voided ..... or something.


VINNIE

 

I had been driving on my Nitto DR's with the same set up as Rob described above. Broke down and put my studded snow tires on the back after getting a little stuck in my driveway. Went out for a drive tonite, its 16 F out. No problem if I just keep my foot out of the TB. Actually found quite abit of pavement, but never put the boost up past 10. Still had fun though, listening to tunes and just going for a winter drive in the L.

Mark

 

The dealership I deal with even asked if I knew this dude named Rob02 as they had my warranty in their hands.
I replied I don't even like people named Rob, so my warrenty is still in effect. Manly because I don'y need no stinkin timing

 

(This is gonna be a long one, SORRY

Sorry I Never saw that post, I'll look for it ???

I'm sure Johnny would remember what I have,
PLUS he keeps a reciept with the program #'s on it

The most important thing about a Chip is having PLENTY
of conversation with the Tuner BEFORE HAND on your needs, your want's, driving conditions, location, elevation, Octane, etc... Call and talk to him, (as long as possible), Johnny gave me all the time I needed on the Phone, then send a note along with the Chip. Then Double Check what you got, by asking AGAIN.
(He also called me once he had it in front of him "ready to burn", and we wen't over it again)
The most important factor, TELL THEM WHAT YOU WAN'T

Here's the Orig Letter I sent along with the Chip to Johnny
(After we already discussed it on the Phone)

Dear Johnny,

Enclosed you will find my Diablo Delta Chip. As per conversation I need you to burn me a NITROUS Program, and a Gas Program, I will use the gas Program for both Street + Strip.
I will also use the Nitrous Program For Both Street + Strip.
You also said we will meet up at Cecil (I’m on your list)
And then you can plug in and get some true readings so you can then tweak it later

MY SET UP:
2002 Lightning “BLACK” (The Black ones are Special + FASTER)
2lb Upper
4lb Lower
JLP Cool Air
Boost By-Pass
Multi Spark Ing, "Plasma Booster"
Accu Fab Single Blade Throttle Body
Denso IT-22’s gapped at .038-.040
Zex Wet Nitrous Kit, 55,65,+75HP Jets.
Adjustable to 125 HP with additional jet kit.


PUMP GAS TUNED for 93 octane
(I’ll run more, but I want it tuned for 93 octane pump gas)

NY COLD WEATHER
(this is my ONLY car, I drive it in sub zero temps, using the chip)

Long WOT Blast,
(I Love my 150 MPH runs (keep that in mind with the A/F)

5800 RPM Rev Limiter,
(6 previous programs have been there “KEEP THAT PLEASE”)

TURN OFF TORQUE REDUCTION
(I like it off, what do you think ???)

200 MS BETWEEN SHIFTS
(I want that on all motor, do as you want with Nitrous program)

Tranny pressure,CURRENTLY NOT TOUCHED
(do as you want with the Nitrous program)

My Current Shift point is 5500
(leave for Gas program) Do as you wish for Nitrous Program)

I also enclosed $XX.00, you said that would cover it in our Phone Conversation and your e-mail.
Please get the Chip back to me ASAP.

“”THANK YOU SO MUCH””,

Yours Truly

Rob Caruso

(As you see, you give them as much info as possible)

Then I asked and double checked what I got.
I also realized my lower timing Nitrous Tune, would be AWESOME
for Looooooooong WOT Blast, and double checked it was ok to use it for that.
(Nitrous Programs shift sooner, are richer, and have less timing)
""PERFECT FOR LONG WOT""

----- Original Message -----
From: JlightningRacing@cs.com
To: rob3832@optonline.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: Question about your tune

You can run your side 2 with wide open blast I hope to see your no2 side with around 13-15 * timing and your street side with 16-17* timing with of course different values changed that I really don't talk about. There is more to this than just checking timing and A/F. I would rather get my equipment on your truck to know exactly what the programs are doing. We'll do that later, let me know how it goes when you get the chip back.....JL

I ran (2) 12.0's on this Program, FIRST TIME OUT
But we found out I needed (Vinnies Favorite Topic) MORE TIMING.
After a few more days at the track, and another Phone Conversation, the Chip went back with a short letter.

It was basically Tweaked and made more aggressive to where
I am now,
(My 9th + 10th Programs)

Johnny, Here's the Problem I'm having since I got your Programs,
I have to run the Gas Program while using Nitrous to get "ANY ET" out of it. If I use the Nitrous Program there's not enough timing "or ET" or any top end power. It runs perfect using the Gas Program "WITH NITROUS on pump gas" and that’s how I’m currently running it. A matter of fact I think it needs more timing than even the gas side I’m using.
The other problem is when using the ALL GAS PROGRAM on ALL GAS Runs, I find it slower than my original gas program because again it's down a degree or two on timing from what I had.
So I want the Gas program at @18 Degrees of Timing
And the Nitrous Program at 15 to 16 Degrees of Timing.
Everything else you did is perfect and I love it.
Your's Truly
Rob Caruso
rob3832@optonline.net


The Bottom line is, a Program is a work in progress,
and even when Dyno Tuned, (it aint the same as Driving it)
You really have to listen and learn, and then YOU have to figure out what changes you want the Tuner to make.

I have been involved with all 10 of my programs
like you see here, (Phone, letters, questions, track testing)
differant Chips, differant Tuners. The main reason I am still
together is because I did it slowly over the course of ten programs and 1 full year of test and tuning.
The only reason I have not gotten a Predator or moved up to
this new Generation Diablo Software is because, my truck runs
flawlessly with any combination I threw at it now.
JOHNNY HOOKED ME UP BIG TIME AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVE MY TUNES.

(a full second off with 75HP of juice) went from a 12.8 to 11.8
and off juice he got me another 10th (Last all gas run 12.7)
but that was with 15/16 degrees of timing not the 18 degrees I got now, (I'm faster now)

So the truck runs solid easy 12's with a simple filter-chip-4lb-T/B
and 11.'s with the click of a switch

 

Rob you had mentioned your truck shifting at like 6K. I was just wondering.. was the line pressure in the tranny altered with the chip? I remember it was doing that even before you put in the ftvb. If not did you ever figure it out?

 

WOW... Just like Seinfeld.... A Story about Nothing.

 

My shifting problems have been with me since day one,
and Zero Mileage ( Which is when the Mod's started )
I had once tried the tranny pressure increase in a Chip
in an early Program from Motor Haven and didn't like it ,
(Banged into gear) the next 6 or so had no tranny tweaking in the chip, either way it shifted higher than it was suppose to.
Nick of Diablo explained it best to me over on Ford Mod Forum,
(sorry at work now, don't have the link handy)

It's a fairly common problem with modded L's he tells me.
Has to due with the increased rate of acceleration vs the way
our transmission is set up to read acceleration and shift based on what it's reading.

Too dam slippery out for me to possibaly find out if the FTVB did anything except created a major traction problem

 

Atleast Seinfeld keeps me awake, I fell asleep twice reading thru that post

 

Yeah same here, too much rain/ice and too cold to get any traction. Guess we'll have to wait untill spring. I would think the v/b may help to lower that shift point though, even if it's only 200 rpm or so.It would be nice to see what rpm you are at when it hits 2nd, 3rd etc.. i am just wondering if the increased rpm has helped your et?? One of these days i am going to break down and get a program and a firewire for the laptop and map out my truck..

 

Danny's jealous...........haven't seen anything below 58 yet, damn.

 

1 degree F here in MA today, took the truck for alternator replacement + oil change to Mobile 1 5w30.

1/4th throttle is fun stuff when theres sand all over lol.