I got the actual swanson kit for a xmas present from my mom. it took all of maybe 10seconds to install.....and that includes startin the truck up and making sure no check lights came on. Rob if you still what a picture of the actual kit email me and I'll yank mine and take a couple for ya.

Josh

 

Let me get this striat , the swanson kit replaces the driversside pcv? The swanson kit takes care of the drivers side and i could use the seperator on the passanger side, should this take care of all the oil in the intake?

 

I believe it adds the Cobra PCV to the passenger's side. The driver's side already has a PCV.

 

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Originally posted by silver bullit99
why not just take off those hoses and run two valve cover breathers?
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It wont be unmetered air if you just plug the hole in the boot.....then plug the back of the plenum.....see thread

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...hreadid=143150







Right it adds a "one way PCV to the passenger side. The year model Cobra PCV that is the The Motorcraft Part # EV-98-B
D9ZZ-6A666-A
Just ask for it by part number. Do not ask for a 03 Cobra PCV unless you plan on modifying it., it is not a direct replacement.

 

Ok some of you have it backwards

Our Lighting comes with a NON Working PCV
on the PASS Side and NOTHING on the Drivers Side
(thats the Problem)
What actually happens is UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS
we experience reverse Flow in the PCV System, and it
actually pushes this Pressure over to the Drivers Side
(where there is nothing) and then up the tube, into the
Boot, and into the Front of the Throttle Body.

At other times UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS oil is pushed
past our NON WORKING PCV, on the PASS SIDE and thats
how oil enters the manifold, Via the rear of the Upper
(where everyone puts a Seperator). This is the oil that
coats the Intercooler and also works it way though the
Upper Manifold and into the REAR of the Throttle Body.

My set up gives you a WORKING PCV to replace the
original non working PCV on the Pass side.
Then it also gives you a SECOND CHECK VALVE/PCV VALVE
(that works in the opposite direction), and this one goes
on the DRIVERS SIDE, (where nothing was before) it's all
in my Pic's


Thank You very much for the Pic Red, but I do have a question.
With my set up, this dime sounds like it would pressurize the System ????

ANYONE ?????

 

Rob,
Danny Swanson looked at my twin PCV valves. At idle, he pulled the PCV valve off the cam cover on the driver side and heard a loud rush of vacuum into the cam cover. The second PCV valve restricted air flow through the crank case. Danny did not like the air flow to be restricted in this way. I pointed out that the idle air bleed motor would make up the differance. The scan tool did show a higher % of duty cycle for the air bleed motor. We agreed to dissagree on that point.

NoSurprise

 

This is a partial post in regard to the Swanson kit.

from the NLOC

According to that picture, you are blocking off the port above the charger that is ALWAYS sucking in various "volumes" of air. Regardless of vacuum or boost, there is NEVER boost here at this port. No reason to use a different PCV with a check valve. This port has zero pressure at times, but is still pulling a small volume of air through here.

You need this! Do not delete this!

All you are doing is DIVERTING where you are dumping your oil vapors.
That rear hose goes into the lower manifold "intake" tract, not crankcase.
This is why you have vacuum and boost here.
Your check valve PCV stops the boost from getting into the crankcase.
So, what are you doing with the blowby that is created under boost?
You're allowing it to relieve itself from the driver's side valve cover.

YES you have "patched" a problem, or just simply diverted it.

You ARE NOT putting oil "above" the supercharger and intercooler, you ARE putting oil into the lower intake tract.
This will still carbon up the valves and tops of pistons, as well as the simple fact that oil reduces octane ratings.
Oil "IS" still getting into the intake tract, just not into the supercharger and intercooler.

POINT MADE.

MY SOLUTION!

I am blocking off the rear hose to the lower intake. I don't want vacuum or boost from this area. Forget it's there.
I am using the upper plenum port, THAT IS ALWAYS SUCKING IN DIFFERENT VOLUMES OF AIR, filtering the oil out, and returning the oil into the crankcase.
This way, there is "always" suction on the crankcase, relieving pressure and vapors "all" the time. Period!

1-No oil in the intake tract ANYWHERE!
2-Always suction of some sort on the crankcase, especially under boost when needed.
Old school racers will tell you that having a small suction on the crankcase will give you better ring seal.

I can't explain it any simpler than that.
This is the truth, and I challenge SWANSON to dispute this.
Im not attacking anyone, just trying to teach you and make you realize what you are doing and why your not seeing any oil in the intercooler.

Once again, I'm always pulling different volumes of air out of the crankcase, filtering out the oil, and returning it to the proper place.
NO oil is getting into the intake/combustion tract. All the oil is going back into the crankcase which is "not under pressure".
It's that simple.

Vince


It gets even better!

The engineer of the product called me today. The sales rep. that I have been speaking with was telling him of what I had intended to do with their product. He asked how "I" was modifying the unit to work on an automotive application. After giving him numerous measurements, readings, and digital pictures of what I was doing, he told me that the unit was actually larger than I needed. We talked of another smaller unit they build, (basically because of the cost factor involved) and confirmed that it would be well suited for the assumed flow rate he calculated with the numbers I gave him. Even factoring in a margin of error, he assured me that the smaller unit would be perfect for the application and woud still be just as efficient. He is very confident in his design and was actually a little excited to learn what I was doing with his product. He spent a lot of time helping me, as well as schooling me, for which I was very grateful. We all know that time is money.

Summary:
The cost will easily come down to the $200 range now.
Anyone getting excited yet?
I am!
Vince

 

Sal in discussing the "oil in the intake" problem, noted that when he tore down an engine and blocked off that line going down to the intake and after assy. when he fired the engine up, he noted that when the line was blocked, it caused some "wierd deceleration issues with blower pressure" meaning unmetered air causing problems, - and he hooked it back up. This line needs to vent .......... Don't plug parts of the PCV. Plug it all and run breathers or run a separator and put in restrictions to limit oil from reaching the plenum.


Vince Have you blocked the rear line off yet? results?

Rob,WE Should know both the intake boot and the plenum are helping crank case venting vapors out of each cam cover with vacuum. We know the pass. side pulls/ vents alot more oil vapor than the drivers side as designed.
What I've done so far to my truck is ...I put a plug at the plenum but I drilled a #30 hole in the plug so I just reduced the amount of vacuum. and this keeps heavy oil out of the plenum and I retain a closed loop system I may block of everything and run breathers when I get around to messing with the PCV system again.

I also have a separator just after the PCV before both lines on the pass. side to catch oil. I catch 1/4 less than I did with out the restriction at the plenum.

I still am not getting a significant amount of oil from the drivers side. I pull the boot and barely feel any residue.
I will check my separator tonight and give an update on the amont of oil in it.

 

hook it back up then....its sucking air out of the intake boot and is going to stall the engine......


PCV = positive crankcase ventalation ... Not positive cam cover sucking air out of the intake boot I am not doubting what danny heard but maybe how he interpreted it.

The crankcase vents into the intake track to be burn out the tailpipe to keep our air clean. thats all the PCV system dose. If you are implying that the vacuum is so great from the passenger side that it pulls air from the drivers side intake boot? It can't if you have the Swanson Kit installed.


I understand there are alot of dfferential presures involved in the PCV system but the crankcase dose vent.


How pressurizing the cylinders with boost affects the way our engine vents the crankcase I don't think is the problem.

Simply the PCV vents and the intake track helps pull oil laden vapors into the intake system period. There are many different cars on the road that pull oil laden vapors into the intake system with there PCV systems and alot that don't. Go check what ever other vehicle you have in the driveway. Check any vehicle especially 99 or later....its comon to all modern PCV systems.
No Surprise seems to be doing alot of research on our PCV system and I anticipate future results.
Explain the PCV system as you understand it applies to our trucks.
What is you current set up?

 

This is all so confusing, its making my head hurt.

Is there like a simple version that translats in to English?

 

Ditto! I am confused now also. Hell now I don't even know which side has a PCV valve stock

 

I plan on installing a GReddy Catch can before the tube from the Passenger side cam cover splits. This will be enough for me and still keep my PCV working like it should.

 

Dude, I hear ya. I dont know what to do!!I'm lost

 

You can open your hood you know.. .

 

Good Question.