Saw a bad crash tonight
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Originally posted by samiam513
BTW, I am 17. Have no tickets. No accidents. In your eyes i am a bad driver (or strteet racer, which would constitute bad driver sue to excessive speed, or excessive acceleration from a stopped position) becasue i am a kid. Yeah, I AM a bad driver, but probobly better than you.
BTW, I am 17. Have no tickets. No accidents. In your eyes i am a bad driver (or strteet racer, which would constitute bad driver sue to excessive speed, or excessive acceleration from a stopped position) becasue i am a kid. Yeah, I AM a bad driver, but probobly better than you.
Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
Sad thing is most young kids in that age range are pretty responsible but if a good percentage of accidents in performance vehicles is happen in a particular age range then the whole age range gets jacked way up.
Sad thing is most young kids in that age range are pretty responsible but if a good percentage of accidents in performance vehicles is happen in a particular age range then the whole age range gets jacked way up.
I hope the people involved are okay.
Originally posted by whip
I hate to be the party pooper but....I think we are seeing the end of the "modern muscle car" era real soon! Every car out there now has 2 million hp and next year there is a higher hp model. It has to stop somewhere. Cars are getting plain dangerous! Any meat bag can walk into a store and buy a 11/12/13 second car.
I hate to be the party pooper but....I think we are seeing the end of the "modern muscle car" era real soon! Every car out there now has 2 million hp and next year there is a higher hp model. It has to stop somewhere. Cars are getting plain dangerous! Any meat bag can walk into a store and buy a 11/12/13 second car.
The real problem lies within the drivers. People are paying less attention, being overly defensive to the point of being dangerous, thinking their invisible, driving like asses, etc. Some are so wrapped up their own world, others are 'more important', need to get there fast. Pick your flavor.
It boils down to driver responsibility.
Making it harder to get a license, raise driver awareness and driver skill, make consequences known so that people think before they act are ways to help out. But ultimately it comes down to the person behind the wheel. If they want to become a good driver they will. If they don't, well it's a privilege not a right .
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Believe it or not all level headed smart teenagers would gladly whoop the *** of all idiotic smart *** teenagers just to prove that we are not all the same, and that most of us are smart people. Plus I'm sure it would be entertaining 
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For anyone who cares about the original post it appears this may be the wreck you saw vinnie. It was a fatal accident 
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/show...786#post328786
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/show...786#post328786
Last edited by 94_302; Nov 18, 2003 at 01:38 AM.
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Muscle car era
Whip & Jubeland you are probably correct. The first muscle car era circa 1964 to 1972 was killed by a combination of government regulation, the insurance industry and eventually the gas crisis. Those who think it won't happen again take the time to research the first one and its death. As it happens you probably won't realize it until its too late and it may not come from the same sources that killed the first one. That's why the '70's are a good time to forget for car nuts. Cars had nothing more than decals, goofy spoilers and wings and NO horsepower. Oh yeah, and there was that disco thing too.
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It's a shame. Though there are two accounts that are given as to how it happened. One being that a car, running a light on a cross-intersection turn, hit him in the driver's side door. That just pisses me off to no end. Every day, all day long, I see people running red lights, or trying to get through that bare millisecond of a yellow light to cut across traffic. DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN THINK?! I saw God once about 5 years ago, working down in Rockville, MD, on rt 355. We had a red light, bus in the middle lane, but I was still at speed. I was slowing down to a stop, to the right of the bus, when the light went green, so I sped back up.... only to find a car running the turn light and coming right at me. I still don't know how we avoided each other. I hate red light running idiots more than almost anything in the world.
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94_302- Yes, that appears to be the accident. Its a shame when something as trivial as running a red light claims the life of someone.
Oh, and as far as this whole age argument is concerned- Not all 17 year olds act with as much reckless abandon and disrespect as some may think
Oh, and as far as this whole age argument is concerned- Not all 17 year olds act with as much reckless abandon and disrespect as some may think
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samiam513,
There is a reason 17-25 year olds pay more for insurance than older drivers. We have less experience and have this idiotic notion that we are invulnerable. Are there adults who can't drive? Sure, but the percentages are smaller than among kids.
I've also never entirely understood how a 17 year old kid can afford a Lightning, the insurance, and the fuel costs.
I like horsepower, but as the horsepower goes up, your margin for error goes down. At 17 I would never have been able to handle that much horsepower. Even now I try to avoid it and concetrate on handling instead.
Just my two cents.
-Don
There is a reason 17-25 year olds pay more for insurance than older drivers. We have less experience and have this idiotic notion that we are invulnerable. Are there adults who can't drive? Sure, but the percentages are smaller than among kids.
I've also never entirely understood how a 17 year old kid can afford a Lightning, the insurance, and the fuel costs.
I like horsepower, but as the horsepower goes up, your margin for error goes down. At 17 I would never have been able to handle that much horsepower. Even now I try to avoid it and concetrate on handling instead.
Just my two cents.
-Don
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Originally posted by 03LightninRocks
Most of us "old farts' realize that not all young people act like punks.
We just laugh the ones that do, the heck off.
Rocks
Most of us "old farts' realize that not all young people act like punks.
We just laugh the ones that do, the heck off.
Rocks
Since junior doesn’t seem able to read I will highlight some of my original post:
Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
Well I think the thing you would see first before muscle cars go away would be insurance rates to be jacked WAY up for any kind of performance vehicle bought by a young kid 16 – 25. Sad thing is most young kids in that age range are pretty responsible but if a good percentage of accidents in performance vehicles is happen in a particular age range then the whole age range gets jacked way up.
I think before it gets to that point that local and state legislators should actually pass some laws to deal with the few who can’t seem to get it through their head about street racing. Make the laws tough like $2,000 fine for first offence, second offense the kid loses the vehicle to the state, never to get back, as well as their license for a year. That way the majority of young people don’t get screwed by insurance and the ones that don’t get it, well, don’t get it any more (bye-bye vehicle, bye-bye driving privileges).
There is never a reason for street racing. The only ones that street race have NO clue about racing to begin with.
Well I think the thing you would see first before muscle cars go away would be insurance rates to be jacked WAY up for any kind of performance vehicle bought by a young kid 16 – 25. Sad thing is most young kids in that age range are pretty responsible but if a good percentage of accidents in performance vehicles is happen in a particular age range then the whole age range gets jacked way up.
I think before it gets to that point that local and state legislators should actually pass some laws to deal with the few who can’t seem to get it through their head about street racing. Make the laws tough like $2,000 fine for first offence, second offense the kid loses the vehicle to the state, never to get back, as well as their license for a year. That way the majority of young people don’t get screwed by insurance and the ones that don’t get it, well, don’t get it any more (bye-bye vehicle, bye-bye driving privileges).
There is never a reason for street racing. The only ones that street race have NO clue about racing to begin with.
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Accidents such as that won't signal the end of the 2nd "Muscle Car" era. Neither an SRT-4 or a Toyota Sequoia are muscle cars, and any "beer car econobox" that goes up against an SUV will lose. Alot of different groups are complaining about the SUV's, both environmentalist and safety, because they are tanks compared to smaller cars.
While I agree HP numbers for the street are starting to get out of hand, the prices on the vehicles are escalating at nearly the same rate. It's going to become harder and harder for people to buy the cars with 500+ hp.
While I agree HP numbers for the street are starting to get out of hand, the prices on the vehicles are escalating at nearly the same rate. It's going to become harder and harder for people to buy the cars with 500+ hp.
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Originally posted by LatemodelRacer2
Kids these days... wait im 17 and have no accidents and i respect my truck and have since day 1
Kids these days... wait im 17 and have no accidents and i respect my truck and have since day 1
You're right....age has nothing to do with
good or bad judgement
Sammy,
quote:Originally posted by samiam513
BTW, I am 17. Have no tickets. No accidents. In your eyes i am a bad driver (or strteet racer, which would constitute bad driver sue to excessive speed, or excessive acceleration from a stopped position) becasue i am a kid. Yeah, I AM a bad driver, but probobly better than you.
Unfortunately, You will.
