i have a business license i might just get one.

 

Its got to be a "full automotive shop." I also have a business license.

 

i doubt they could tell the difference.

 

Rem ,who uses Diablo chips, writes their own programs for over-modded Lightnings at Diablo....

 

I thought Diablosport didn't let anyone *write* files for the regular Deltas?

Does REM sell Delta "Blacks" or Revolutions?

 

If you are familiar with where REM is located, then look on the map as to where Diablosport is, then take into account the friendship they have, well then.. yeah, they can write their own files. Just like someone i know who can get any type of crower cam made...

Im sorry, but the guys tuning autologic were given tables... They just modify those tables and burn a chip. I think there is a handful of people who can write hex/bin files on their own.
So prove me wrong and show me your hex files.. Otherwise, youre no different then the Diablo and Superchip guys.

 

I'm not sure that writing bin/hex files has anything to do with it. I don't expect Swanson to be able to anything other than alter the parameters (numerically) to respond to what he sees on the dyno. I mean, I can write an Excel spreadsheet without knowing C++. But having to call someone else up and get them to write the speadsheet for me seems suboptimal.

Maybe I will just find the skinny kid in The Fast and the Furious. He seemed to be a walking computer. Hell, he was able to CAD design a whole race car in about 10 minutes.

 

O.K. , I am not going to get into the whole chip thing but I have personally seen Jim working side by side w/ the superchip guys discussing programs on NUMEROUS occasions.
I am not saying Jim writes the programs , but I can guarantee you he has input on them.

I would also think that Johnny works closely w/ Diablo also.

and even if they were choosers. You still have to choose the right program.
Kinda like a multiple choice question. The answer is there , but if you do not know what it is then you will pick the wrong one.

With the amount of chips and mods out there and all the racing on stock internals , I say the tuners are doing a DAMN good job.


VINNIE

 

I've had a Superchip, Diablosport, and an autologic. All of them worked and each was within a few HP of the other.

Superchip and Diablo (red chip) tuners are 'choosers' as mentioned before in that they select a binary file from the mothership with certain parameters. But to say that they are limited to what the host company provides is somewhat misleading. There's no reason Jim or REM couldn't put a given program on your chip, dyno it, and decide it needs a couple degrees more/less timing. If a 'chosen' file didnt already have the timing they wanted, they could call the chip company and have them produce a new file based on the original with the additional changes. if you're mail-ordering chips, this kind of turn-around is perfectly acceptable.

The advantage to an autologic is that the tuner can actually make the changes on the dyno. You can make a pull, look at the tables, and add fuel then go right back on the dyno. IMHO this is a more efficient method, if you're already spending $$ for time on the dyno with a tuner present. I've also seen the autologic software and it is stupid-easy to use compared with say a tweecer.

The last option is something like the soon-to-be-released Predator or the SC microtuner. These are like a 'chooser' chip, except that the customer can modify certain parameters themselves. You're not going to get the ability to make radical changes, but if you're just looking to fine-tune things, this works OK.

Flame on ...

 

REM only has input on their files, just as any other DiabloSport dealer does. Although they could drive over to DiabloSport, just as any other dealer could, they do not manipulate the data themselves, and never have.

 

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i could be wrong and i dont know, but im pretty sure almost positive that im using a program that TZRider made @ Diablo for my truck.

 

This thread answers a lot of questions that I had. I am having my truck go on the dyno again Tuesday using an Autologic chip and Byron doing the tuning. He had started to do this on May 31st, but had to shut it down because of a "ticking" noise. The engine was torn down and gone thru again, and I have waited since then to get him back. Discovered a tuner is practically non existant for Fords. My original question was why I couldn't just order a chip and forget about it, but now I know with a heavily modded engine and using the Autologic chip, it needs the tuner to get it right.

 

Well While I hate to jump into this...

I know that the Superchips program on my previous chip was not off a menu. It may have started ( as Sal described ) with a file off the menu BUT the tweaks that I asked for were NOT going to be available on a stock menu AND I watched the parameters get changed to the program I was using. In other words a great deal of time was spent getting the tune right on, A/F, timing, Trans etc etc. I test drove it and wanted one minor correction at 1 rpm range and it was done in 10 min with NONE of the other parameters changing. Even if I hadn't seen the process it is near impossible, to imagine that there are that many variations of menu files avail ......

I know that MANY/MOST/ Nearly ALL chip burners simply dload menu files off a BBS - BUT that doesn't mean they all do...

Doug

 

If this is the case regarding "choosers" on SUperchip and Diablo.

then why the HELL did I pay all that money for a custom Dyno tune on my superchip flip chip>?


I had Paul at Pauls Performance, Who I heard was one of the best for modular motors, dyno tune my Lightning and he charged a ***** load of money for it.

Did he simply choose a program from a list and plug and play. If so that is blatant misrepresentation! (I be getting some money back)