problem because of FTVB (more likely the problem was just having the FTVB than a problem with FTVB itself)? I understand Greg builds trannys for ford. If Ford is denying warranty because of FTVB that would put Greg in a hard place. Greg would risk his situation with Ford if he had to battle them over FTVB? Does anyone know if this has ever happened and the outcome?

 

Actually I think Gregg has stated that it would be hard for
anyone to find the changes in the FTVB unless they were
an expert. Chances of finding one of those at the local
FORD garage? Almost NIL, unless you're VERY lucky!!!!

On another topic, maybe the difference between Gregg and
all the other vendors is that he is from the midwest and
has very high ethics and work habits. I dunno, I just know
when I get out from under a few payments and outta warranty
I will have the monster box !!!

Kudos to ya, Gregg !!!

Cliff

PS.... If only that SUAVY pic would post ... all we get is:

 

Yup, it's a real nice feeling to know that every time I go WOT my motor may blow but that tranny isn't going anywhere! Or something like that...

Greg Rocks!

 

Perhaps they should always ask themselves "What would Gregg do?" before acting...

 

No warranty has ever been voided because of a FTVB, if it is properly installed I don't think one ever will be, but if it was I'd more than likely do something for whoever it happened too. Another "brand" of valve body has caused a warranty to be voided, it had a spring stuck on a clip, which caused a valve to shick open and that caused 4ht gear to half engage every time it was in reverse. It didn't hang enough to notice it, the truck had 13K miles on it, but I don't know how long the vlave body had been in it. But this wasn't a design problem, it was a defect in the valve bdy build, it never would have been caught except for a little detail that someone happened to notice.

G

 

That huge "TUNED BY" sticker in the back window???

 

"Wouldn't notice difference in VB"? I don't know about this? Greg? They would notice 4x4 tranny pan change though!
Greg, if in fact, they wouldn't notice, might be a better idea to reuse stock pan? Mechanically challenged me would not do install , but tranny specialst at good rep SVT dealer would do this on side. Nice to hear no known warranty problems,plus you would stand behind it--if proper install! Greg, you're a class-act! Thanks!

 

I don't know whats going on with the pic. when i eneter them they post but they go right away? Maybe the admin. can help? Here it goes again...

 

I know the ftvb is on my upcomin mod list.

Vinny

 

Sounds good to me. My FTVB Rocks

But I got the MB Envy in the worst way

 

No, it's a funny story though. Wish I could tell it.

The post above made it look like I was trying to tell you how to "cheat" Ford, and I'd never do that, I was just staing that most people would be hard pressed to tell the difference, and if it makes it ack to the factory, all they check for are things that aren't affected by the parts changed. I can't say what the "official position" is, but if the valve body is properly assembled, it won't do anything that will cause a failure. Without getting into the technical stuff, it's a change in calibration, and it's done exactly the way Ford changes the calibration for different models, so it comes closer to Moss Magneson than most mods.

Most people here tend to see MM act as " I can do anything I want and they have to prove IT caused the problem" which I guess there may be a good legal argument for. It's certainly the position SEMA would have you believe.

After reading a lot about it, and talking about it with someone who is very familiar with how it actually works, I think that it's much closer to being "I can use Quaker State instead of of Motorcraft oil", a point I think is equally valid. The law is really more about using non OEM replacement parts, and all of these have some sort of standard that makes them more or less commidities, oil has SAE specs, body panels have a NHTSA number, etc... that more or less certifies them as being OEM equals, but a valid "legal" argument can be made that anything that changes (improves) performance is changing how the truck was designed to operate, and as I've said before, you just can't go to court and win a case like that. Totally aside from the legal team Ford pays whether they're in court or eating donumts in the office, Ford just has an incredible database of stuf you wouldn't even think of, for every little nut and bolt in the thing. Somewhere there is a memo, study or document that explains why the solenoid has #30 torx bolt heads instead of 8mm bolts like all the other valve bodies. I have no idea why, but somewhere there is a reason, and if you fail a tranny and they find that you put regular bolts on there instead of ones with torx heads, AND they think it may have caused the problem, you can bet they'll find that piece of paper, and it'll show up in court. They spent prolly $10K or more to put in a different machine for those bolts as oppesed to the one that torques the other 20 bolts on the wormtrail, they had some reason. ( I have no idea myself)

How about this, as a total hypothetical....
They void your warranty for a deep pan. Ridiculous? right?

Well, how about if there was a study done in 1987, that basically said, the shallow pan has a different splash profile that works better, but for the 4x4 you need the extra 24 oz of fluid, we'll accept the risk of the pump starving a few seconds on the deep pan in a 4X4, but in these XXX models, it's not worth that risk, so use the shallow pan, which under most circumstances protects from splash related fluid starvation better.
So you get a deep pan, a year later your tranny fails, and the ONLY mod is the deep pan. Warranty analysis determines that it was fluid starved, but the filter was firmly in place. You just don't even think for a minute this is valid and you fight it all the way to court, and then some engineer pulls out this study on the stand, and says "yeah, we knew the deep pan wasn't as good, and on the models we put it on, we just decided to eat the extra warranty for other considerations, but on the models that didn't need it, it wasn't worth the extra warranty costs that we knew it would lead to, and that's why we denied this claim, it was a problem we knew about, and our engineers decided on that model it wouldn't work, even though it's the factory part on other models" And then the judge says "Next Case?"

I don't think that would actually happen, but if it did (and though I know the study was actually done, I have no idea whether it said the shallow pan was better under any circumstances, that's just a fable) you would lose, plain and simple. This is why I avoid the "Screwed by Ford on Warranty" threads, and something you should consider, there are a lot of things you don't know, haven't considered, and are in one way kind of out there, but valid anyway, legally if not morally.....

G

 

Think I'll reuse existing pan when I put in your VB! No BS straight answers like this are appreciated by all on this board. That is why you have the reputation you do! Others could learn! Sorry, I've seemingly been determined to mispell your name with only 1 g!

A last question please? With only 11,700 on 00 truck should "old" tranny fluid be completely flushed & replaced when installing your VB? Guess since I have extended warranty, I'll continue to use "factory" fluid instead of Mobil 1 or other synthetic?

Thanks again for your always helpful info!

 

No, any MERCON fluid is okay, ou'll be fine with that many miles just replacing it, the recommend time to flush it is 30K miles.

I was only being hypothetical about the pan to illustrate the way that Ford could be completely justified in voiding a waranty for something that looks like total BS f you dont know better. I do know that they have done studies on the splash patterns of the different pans, but I have never seen the report or know what it said. Sorry if that was confusing.

G