LFP tranny kit WOW!
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paul who installed your tranny kit from LFP? I also was thinking about getting the monster box from Gregg Evans. About 3 months ago my stock tranny went. I was very lucky to hve it covered under warranty. But I know with my mods even the new tranny I have now, with the FTVB won't last forever. So I am already getting idea's for tranny work. I met Mark from LFP over in St. Louis back in May and had a long talk with him about his tranny kit. It is everything listed above and cost's only $550. You just have to have it prof. installed. Paul, who installed your 1st tranny kit from LFP? Because I am also looking into this kit down the road. What should I expect to pay for install on all those parts and a stall? Also i know Gregg is very good with warrantying his work, any kind of warranty on the kit from LFP or the install shop? I need more info on this also, so if anyone can get back to me on it, i'd appreciate it. thanks, Shane
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Re: lfp and artcarr........... what!?!?!?!?!?
Originally posted by Splash7285
Are you guys seriously thinking of going this way???..... well, you probably are because it sounds like a great deal. It is not........ i have been *****ed around and been through 3 transmissions in my 2002 L now because of LFP and artcarr. The truck now has only 15,000 miles on it!!!!......... it's only been ran 2 different times at the track with about 3 runs each and that was on the 2nd transmission. It started by buying their stage 1 valve body that is supposed to be better than gregg evans' factory tech valve body, but is far from it. I had this professionally installed and drove it super easy for the first day, and the second day, i wanted to feel it full throttle. going into 3rd gear it shelled the entire transmission. Artcarr told me that my valve body was only the 40th one of lfp's to be put in my style of lightning and they hadn't had any problems, so they redesigned a softer shifting one and i put it in....... this one lasted almost 7,000 miles and then it shelled it again. Everyone i talked to besides artcarr and lfp felt that it was the valve body causing this one way or another. They must have felt the same way, because the first time it broke they paid for parts and labor to "fix" the transmission( they shipped my tranny shop the parts)....... the second time it shelled, the would not pay for anything, but offered to sell me more parts. what bull*****!!!........ I chose to go with much better and more reliable parts and now i am running gregg evans' parts and am SOOO much more satisfied. The transmission shifts 100 times better!............ Is price or a claimed "better part" worth risking thousands of dollars of cost in the long run?......... definately not. Why go with a part that is supposed to be "as good as" gregg evans' when you can just as easily get the real thing the first time and be done...........my shop still has the old parts from my transmission and if i can get pictures posted on here, i will....... it looks like it was eaten inside out.
Please, everyone, learn from my costly mistakes and buy the right parts.
Paul
Are you guys seriously thinking of going this way???..... well, you probably are because it sounds like a great deal. It is not........ i have been *****ed around and been through 3 transmissions in my 2002 L now because of LFP and artcarr. The truck now has only 15,000 miles on it!!!!......... it's only been ran 2 different times at the track with about 3 runs each and that was on the 2nd transmission. It started by buying their stage 1 valve body that is supposed to be better than gregg evans' factory tech valve body, but is far from it. I had this professionally installed and drove it super easy for the first day, and the second day, i wanted to feel it full throttle. going into 3rd gear it shelled the entire transmission. Artcarr told me that my valve body was only the 40th one of lfp's to be put in my style of lightning and they hadn't had any problems, so they redesigned a softer shifting one and i put it in....... this one lasted almost 7,000 miles and then it shelled it again. Everyone i talked to besides artcarr and lfp felt that it was the valve body causing this one way or another. They must have felt the same way, because the first time it broke they paid for parts and labor to "fix" the transmission( they shipped my tranny shop the parts)....... the second time it shelled, the would not pay for anything, but offered to sell me more parts. what bull*****!!!........ I chose to go with much better and more reliable parts and now i am running gregg evans' parts and am SOOO much more satisfied. The transmission shifts 100 times better!............ Is price or a claimed "better part" worth risking thousands of dollars of cost in the long run?......... definately not. Why go with a part that is supposed to be "as good as" gregg evans' when you can just as easily get the real thing the first time and be done...........my shop still has the old parts from my transmission and if i can get pictures posted on here, i will....... it looks like it was eaten inside out.
Please, everyone, learn from my costly mistakes and buy the right parts.
Paul
wow! Thanks for the feedback
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LFP's tranny rebuild
To All Concerned readers of F150
Paul never purchased an LFP Extreme Rebuild Kit from us. When his transmission went out, several mo ago, LFP along with Art Carr sent him a standard rebuild kit off the shelf, Free of charge. A kit that could have been provided by any tranny parts house in the US. Our kits were not available at the time. If they were it would not have been sent.
Paul contacted me to inform me that his tranny was out. With no questions asked LFP contacted Art Carr and got a basic rebuild kit sent to the shop of his choice.
During the coarse of time, from the rebuild on, Paul and I spoke several times. Each time Paul would comment how great the L was doing, how pleased he was with all the mods he had purchased from LFP, how well his tranny was performing and how much he enjoyed the new chip.
While waiting for his new reburned chip from Sal. LFP sent him one of our Superchip flip chips, so he could drive his L with peace of mind. A $389.00 value. Without ever asking to be paid.
LFP was not attempting to bullet proof his tranny. LFP wasn't asked to do so. Paul had mentioned he could get the parts locally ( I believe through the shop or the dealership, I'm not sure). We were only trying to help out by providing parts that would have cost more somewhere else. That's all we were attempting to do.
LFP never asked to see the tranny in question, LFP never sold Paul an Extreme Rebuild Kit, LFP never asked to be paid for the chip which was never sent back, LFP never questioned anything until after several thousand miles he calls to inform me that while his father was only moving his L the tranny went again.
Paul then went on to inform me he no longer wanted any Art Carr parts in his tranny. I began to explain, as I did above, they weren't Art Carr parts. It was mearly a basic rebuild kit that would have been provided by a local shop, that we could get, but purchase for less.
I have been offering these kits for 5 weeks now. The first 2 weeks I was supplying tranny shop over seas. Two of these shops had Lightning's waiting with blown trannies. They are on the road and customers are satisfied. More kits have been sold in the US. To individuals and shops.
LFP knows, after many years in business, that you can't please all the people all the time. I have tried, this case included. I have given a clearer view of the story and will not comment any further. I won't bash Paul or gregg or any of his product. It serves no purpose. I will end by saying I offer a quality Extreme Performance Kit. Names like Raybestos and Means are among the best in the industry and speak for themselves. Make your choice and be happy. Find a transmission shop that you trust.
Mark/LFP
www.lightningforceperformance.com
Paul never purchased an LFP Extreme Rebuild Kit from us. When his transmission went out, several mo ago, LFP along with Art Carr sent him a standard rebuild kit off the shelf, Free of charge. A kit that could have been provided by any tranny parts house in the US. Our kits were not available at the time. If they were it would not have been sent.
Paul contacted me to inform me that his tranny was out. With no questions asked LFP contacted Art Carr and got a basic rebuild kit sent to the shop of his choice.
During the coarse of time, from the rebuild on, Paul and I spoke several times. Each time Paul would comment how great the L was doing, how pleased he was with all the mods he had purchased from LFP, how well his tranny was performing and how much he enjoyed the new chip.
While waiting for his new reburned chip from Sal. LFP sent him one of our Superchip flip chips, so he could drive his L with peace of mind. A $389.00 value. Without ever asking to be paid.
LFP was not attempting to bullet proof his tranny. LFP wasn't asked to do so. Paul had mentioned he could get the parts locally ( I believe through the shop or the dealership, I'm not sure). We were only trying to help out by providing parts that would have cost more somewhere else. That's all we were attempting to do.
LFP never asked to see the tranny in question, LFP never sold Paul an Extreme Rebuild Kit, LFP never asked to be paid for the chip which was never sent back, LFP never questioned anything until after several thousand miles he calls to inform me that while his father was only moving his L the tranny went again.
Paul then went on to inform me he no longer wanted any Art Carr parts in his tranny. I began to explain, as I did above, they weren't Art Carr parts. It was mearly a basic rebuild kit that would have been provided by a local shop, that we could get, but purchase for less.
I have been offering these kits for 5 weeks now. The first 2 weeks I was supplying tranny shop over seas. Two of these shops had Lightning's waiting with blown trannies. They are on the road and customers are satisfied. More kits have been sold in the US. To individuals and shops.
LFP knows, after many years in business, that you can't please all the people all the time. I have tried, this case included. I have given a clearer view of the story and will not comment any further. I won't bash Paul or gregg or any of his product. It serves no purpose. I will end by saying I offer a quality Extreme Performance Kit. Names like Raybestos and Means are among the best in the industry and speak for themselves. Make your choice and be happy. Find a transmission shop that you trust.
Mark/LFP
www.lightningforceperformance.com
Last edited by Lightninforce; Jun 30, 2003 at 08:47 PM.
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Re: LFP's tranny rebuild
Originally posted by Lightninforce
To All Concerned readers of F150 . . .
Mark/LFP
www.lightningforceperformance.com
To All Concerned readers of F150 . . .
Mark/LFP
www.lightningforceperformance.com
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm buying Mark's version. At least I can understand it.
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mark said the first rebuild kit was sent no questions asked........... lol, that was bul$#it, because my truck sat at least a month untouched because he thought i was running a PSP chip when the transmission broke and tried to blame it on that........... also, i am running with no chip right now because even with my second chip the trans blew............. and as far as a chip not returned, it was not returned during the first break in the transmission because i hadn't had time to send back my psp chip due to the fact that i was always on the phone with someone about my transmission. The chip was sent back to LFP by regular mail right after the second transmission break. I sent my valve body back to artcarr because they said that they would have mark issue me a refund and now HE IS HOLDING THE REFUND RANSOM FOR THE RETURN OF THE CHIP THAT WAS IN HIS POSESSION OVER A WEEK AGO.
Also, i'm not bashing anybody on this post, i am just simply posting a 100% factual situation.......... i spent time typing this up just so everyone can get the truth. I appreciate those of you who realize this.
Also mark left out that artcarr redesigned that valve body to deliver a softer shift because my truck was only the 40th one to have that valve body in............. and they replaced the valve body when they sent the replacement parts, only they sent a stock valve body, my shop noticed that it was a stock valve body and mark had to ship another......... so they must not watch their valve body distribution that close if a STOCK VALVE BODY can come in every 3rd LFP stage 1 valvebody box!!!
Those rebuild kits have only been out for a few weeks???......... hm ... sounds like the valve body when i bought it......... would you want your truck to be the 40th one with one of those rebuild kits in it............. that's just a question i would ask myself.
Also, i'm not bashing anybody on this post, i am just simply posting a 100% factual situation.......... i spent time typing this up just so everyone can get the truth. I appreciate those of you who realize this.
Also mark left out that artcarr redesigned that valve body to deliver a softer shift because my truck was only the 40th one to have that valve body in............. and they replaced the valve body when they sent the replacement parts, only they sent a stock valve body, my shop noticed that it was a stock valve body and mark had to ship another......... so they must not watch their valve body distribution that close if a STOCK VALVE BODY can come in every 3rd LFP stage 1 valvebody box!!!
Those rebuild kits have only been out for a few weeks???......... hm ... sounds like the valve body when i bought it......... would you want your truck to be the 40th one with one of those rebuild kits in it............. that's just a question i would ask myself.
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Heres the latest email from mark at LFP...........
Subj: Re: refund on valvebody
Date: 6/30/2003 7:06:28 AM Central Standard Time
From: UNI4MONEY
To: Splash7285, UNI4MONEY
Paul,
I can refund you the purchase price of the VB as soon as I receive the LFP dual program flip chip. Let me know. Speak to you soon.
Mark/LFP
www.lightningforceperformance.com
so now i have no money, no valve body, and no chip........... what a deal!!!
Subj: Re: refund on valvebody
Date: 6/30/2003 7:06:28 AM Central Standard Time
From: UNI4MONEY
To: Splash7285, UNI4MONEY
Paul,
I can refund you the purchase price of the VB as soon as I receive the LFP dual program flip chip. Let me know. Speak to you soon.
Mark/LFP
www.lightningforceperformance.com
so now i have no money, no valve body, and no chip........... what a deal!!!
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Paul i dont mean to get in the middle of this or take anyone's side.
I just was wondering, you never had the LFP rebuild kit in your truck did you? It doesnt sound like it from either of your replies. You had A rebuild kit, but not this bullet proof one that is advertised and in discussion for $549 correct? I think you are misleading some people and just becuase of a bad expierance with Mark in the past, doesnt mean you should put this new product down. The only reason I say that is becuase I am interested in this tranny rebuild kit, and I'm pry not the only one looking to save a few bucks. I know for sure I am not the only one interested in it. The guy who originated this post got the kit from mark at lfp right? I just think it is rude of you to come on here and turn this thread into a tuner war. Again like I said I dont want to get in the middle of it, I wasnt there when your tranny went, and I dont know anything about the programs you had on the chip, or anything more than what I read here. I just dont see anywhere here where you installed this same LFP rebuild kit we are talking about (and had the bad expierance with it) Yes you may have had a bad expierance with Mark or with someone in the past, but that is not on the same topic as in the thread.
Another reason I replied to this thread is becuase my transmission like yours went after 28,000 miles. I also installed the Valve body, but never once blamed it on that. I know the transmissions in these L's are the weak link. Ask anyone who mods their truck. Ask Gregg, ask Mark, anyone will tell you these trans' won't handle 400-500 horse. I was very lucky to have my 1st tranny covered under warranty. We were in agreement it wasnt the valve body that caused the failure. I blew a sprag, and the clutchpacks went bad, and the torque converter even had to get replaced. It came to about $1,800 worth of parts and labor. Anyway I plan on upgrading to some kind of a bullet proof tranny down the road when (if not b4) this trans goes.
A few months ago I talked to Gregg about getting me a monster box and a torque converter and I think that came to almost $3,000. When some people will say it is worth every penny... Gregg I have heard very good things about you.
But again I met with Mark over at World Ford Challenge in may and he was telling me he was going to introduce a similar transmission rebuild kit, all I have to do is have it installed. So we talked more about that and he discussed a torque converter I could go with and I left very happy and confident the information I got from Mark was sincere.
Then I see a post here on f150 titled LFP tranny kit WOW...
So I click on it to get more info on the kit.... And I see someone bought the tranny rebuild kit mark. Myself and other guys on here gave him the thumbs up, and some commented on how much it was, where to install it, and what all he got for his money.
Then Mark came in and stated what exactly the LFP tranny rebuild kit is. He lists what all you get from him and Art Carr for $549 and his contact info. Then you come on and bash the product it doesnt even seem you've tried? That's not right. Just becuase you and the vender have had a fall out, doesnt mean the vender is selling a bad product. I am done talking about this topic all I wanted was for you to think about what your saying and know that what you say is taken into effect by a lot of people on here.
Lastly I wanted you to know that any mention of a vendor, person, product, negative or positive, is Advertisement. I know you said some negative things about mark and LFP, but what you failed to notice is while you were doing that, you were in a way advertising LFP. Just my $0.02 Later, Shane
I just was wondering, you never had the LFP rebuild kit in your truck did you? It doesnt sound like it from either of your replies. You had A rebuild kit, but not this bullet proof one that is advertised and in discussion for $549 correct? I think you are misleading some people and just becuase of a bad expierance with Mark in the past, doesnt mean you should put this new product down. The only reason I say that is becuase I am interested in this tranny rebuild kit, and I'm pry not the only one looking to save a few bucks. I know for sure I am not the only one interested in it. The guy who originated this post got the kit from mark at lfp right? I just think it is rude of you to come on here and turn this thread into a tuner war. Again like I said I dont want to get in the middle of it, I wasnt there when your tranny went, and I dont know anything about the programs you had on the chip, or anything more than what I read here. I just dont see anywhere here where you installed this same LFP rebuild kit we are talking about (and had the bad expierance with it) Yes you may have had a bad expierance with Mark or with someone in the past, but that is not on the same topic as in the thread.
Another reason I replied to this thread is becuase my transmission like yours went after 28,000 miles. I also installed the Valve body, but never once blamed it on that. I know the transmissions in these L's are the weak link. Ask anyone who mods their truck. Ask Gregg, ask Mark, anyone will tell you these trans' won't handle 400-500 horse. I was very lucky to have my 1st tranny covered under warranty. We were in agreement it wasnt the valve body that caused the failure. I blew a sprag, and the clutchpacks went bad, and the torque converter even had to get replaced. It came to about $1,800 worth of parts and labor. Anyway I plan on upgrading to some kind of a bullet proof tranny down the road when (if not b4) this trans goes.
A few months ago I talked to Gregg about getting me a monster box and a torque converter and I think that came to almost $3,000. When some people will say it is worth every penny... Gregg I have heard very good things about you.
But again I met with Mark over at World Ford Challenge in may and he was telling me he was going to introduce a similar transmission rebuild kit, all I have to do is have it installed. So we talked more about that and he discussed a torque converter I could go with and I left very happy and confident the information I got from Mark was sincere.
Then I see a post here on f150 titled LFP tranny kit WOW...
So I click on it to get more info on the kit.... And I see someone bought the tranny rebuild kit mark. Myself and other guys on here gave him the thumbs up, and some commented on how much it was, where to install it, and what all he got for his money.
Then Mark came in and stated what exactly the LFP tranny rebuild kit is. He lists what all you get from him and Art Carr for $549 and his contact info. Then you come on and bash the product it doesnt even seem you've tried? That's not right. Just becuase you and the vender have had a fall out, doesnt mean the vender is selling a bad product. I am done talking about this topic all I wanted was for you to think about what your saying and know that what you say is taken into effect by a lot of people on here.
Lastly I wanted you to know that any mention of a vendor, person, product, negative or positive, is Advertisement. I know you said some negative things about mark and LFP, but what you failed to notice is while you were doing that, you were in a way advertising LFP. Just my $0.02 Later, Shane
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Chip
LFP never questioned Sal's chip. How could I? I didn't have it. According to you it was at Sals not in your L, waiting on a reburn. That's why you asked what to do and we sent you a loaner. You had commented Sal was out ( maybe at an NMRA event, I don't remember). When LFP sent your 6# pulley kit we were already burning you your loaner chip so you could run the 6# pulley while you waited for Sal to return.
LFP never redesigned our VB. Like gregg, when a customer comments it hits to hard or to soft ( everybodies different because the VB's are built the same) we accomadate them by doing some minor tuning to firmup or soften.
No, I have not received the chip. As soon as I do I will send you a check for the purchase price of the Stage1 Performance Valve Body. Speak to you soon.
Mark/LFP
www.lightningforceperformance.com
LFP never redesigned our VB. Like gregg, when a customer comments it hits to hard or to soft ( everybodies different because the VB's are built the same) we accomadate them by doing some minor tuning to firmup or soften.
No, I have not received the chip. As soon as I do I will send you a check for the purchase price of the Stage1 Performance Valve Body. Speak to you soon.
Mark/LFP
www.lightningforceperformance.com
Last edited by Lightninforce; Jul 1, 2003 at 10:30 AM.
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Originally posted by booger
Mark just want to say thanks you saved me over a grand on my tranny,I really don't care what anybody else does,a grand will buy ME alot more mods.
Mark just want to say thanks you saved me over a grand on my tranny,I really don't care what anybody else does,a grand will buy ME alot more mods.