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Old May 28, 2003 | 01:54 PM
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Hey bud! Since you seem to be an expert on field sobriety tests (I just caught up on your previous street racing post and bud smokin). I am curious,
if I blow an .8 in Calif. (or show pot) I am arrested for DUI. Since the laws are predicated on impairment and the lack of control of my vehicle how many senior drivers (lets say over 70years old) do you think would fail the field test? Out of ten I would bet half of them! Why am I arrested and I see no repercutions with seniors, it is the same imparment whether its self induced or from age, either let me go or start enforcing the impairment across the board. By the way so you feel better, I dont drink and drive and have'nt had a moving violation in 15 years all while driving high performance machines.
Also you and everyone else knows the field test is B.S it has been proven to be non scientific in its application!
 
Old May 28, 2003 | 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by smkstklightning
Hey bud! Since you seem to be an expert on field sobriety tests (I just caught up on your previous street racing post and bud smokin). I am curious,
if I blow an .8 in Calif. (or show pot) I am arrested for DUI. Since the laws are predicated on impairment and the lack of control of my vehicle how many senior drivers (lets say over 70years old) do you think would fail the field test? Out of ten I would bet half of them! Why am I arrested and I see no repercutions with seniors, it is the same imparment whether its self induced or from age, either let me go or start enforcing the impairment across the board. By the way so you feel better, I dont drink and drive and have'nt had a moving violation in 15 years all while driving high performance machines.
Also you and everyone else knows the field test is B.S it has been proven to be non scientific in its application!
You broke the law in CA by being under the influence. A Field test is only used as an investigatory tool for probable cause. Once you are taken into custody and blood is drawn, the accuracy of the test determines if your blood/alc level is above or below the legal limit. The field test itself doesnt prove your over the legal limit. It does determine your inability to drive in your current state.
 
Old May 28, 2003 | 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by smkstklightning
Hey bud! Since you seem to be an expert on field sobriety tests (I just caught up on your previous street racing post and bud smokin). I am curious,
if I blow an .8 in Calif. (or show pot) I am arrested for DUI. Since the laws are predicated on impairment and the lack of control of my vehicle how many senior drivers (lets say over 70years old) do you think would fail the field test? Out of ten I would bet half of them! Why am I arrested and I see no repercutions with seniors, it is the same imparment whether its self induced or from age, either let me go or start enforcing the impairment across the board. By the way so you feel better, I dont drink and drive and have'nt had a moving violation in 15 years all while driving high performance machines.
Also you and everyone else knows the field test is B.S it has been proven to be non scientific in its application!

Your approach isn't what I'd call friendly, so I'm not going to waste time giving you a really comprehensive repsponse. Let it suffice that the law has built-in methods for re-examining the driving skills of seniors or any driver who exhibits deminished skills or reaction times.

You can spout the legality of the field test all you want, but the truth of the matter is the conviction rate is nearly 100% based on the chemical test, the field test is only the probable cause needed to move the stop from a detention to an arrest.

I commend the fact you have never received a moving violation in fifteen years. By the way, I'm retired, and have been for several years, however in the many years I actually worked DUI enforcement, I NEVER felt sorry for taking an impaired driver off the road, I only felt really sad when one caused an accident, killing someone and I had to go do the death notification.

Try that sometime, nothing like the look on a parents face when you tell them the child they worked so hard to raise is now cooling on a slab at the morgue thanks to some moron who never got the message about drinking and driving.
 
Old May 28, 2003 | 03:15 PM
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Try that sometime, nothing like the look on a parents face when you tell them the child they worked so hard to raise is now cooling on a slab at the morgue thanks to some moron who never got the message about drinking and driving.
Amen ... There is no duty worse than that ...
 
Old May 28, 2003 | 03:19 PM
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Amen ... There is no duty worse than that ...

Tell me about. Nothing worse then telling a fellow local police officer, that his 16 yr old, 14 yr old and 12 yr old daughters were all killed by a drunk driver on there way home from a school.
 
Old May 28, 2003 | 03:19 PM
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Your approach isn't what I'd call friendly, so I'm not going to waste time giving you a really comprehensive repsponse. Let it suffice that the law has built-in methods for re-examining the driving skills of seniors or any driver who exhibits deminished skills or reaction times.

You can spout the legality of the field test all you want, but the truth of the matter is the conviction rate is nearly 100% based on the chemical test, the field test is only the probable cause needed to move the stop from a detention to an arrest.

I commend the fact you have never received a moving violation in fifteen years. By the way, I'm retired, and have been for several years, however in the many years I actually worked DUI enforcement, I NEVER felt sorry for taking an impaired driver off the road, I only felt really sad when one caused an accident, killing someone and I had to go do the death notification.

Try that sometime, nothing like the look on a parents face when you tell them the child they worked so hard to raise is now cooling on a slab at the morgue thanks to some moron who never got the message about drinking and driving.

I agree with you 100%. The original poster appeared only to be looking for an argument and your response was excellent.
 
Old May 28, 2003 | 03:51 PM
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mswaim (answer the ?)

The ? is how many seniors would be pulled off the road based on the field sobriety test? **** your startin to p*** me off , I really liked you but i dont know anymore. By the way you guys chose the job, its really not becoming when you cry about the duty. People die, thats the reality get used to it. You want to get shot at and give the bad news to parents for $50.000 a year its the choice you made and goes with territory. I know we need ya but please be realistic.
Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter, know one will reply to the senior driver questions I just dont understand.
 

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Answer the ?. Its about the impairment not the law you fools.
 
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Old May 29, 2003 | 01:10 AM
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Hey, what sparked your curiosity on this subject? Not a flame, just wondering.

By the way, I agree to an extent with your argument but I would not be so blunt about it....
 
Old May 29, 2003 | 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by smkstklightning
Answer the ?. Its about the impairment not the law you fools.
Read it again

He did answer the question

The field test is a check of sobriety, its results allows them to do follow up tests - the follow up chemical test is what puts you away.

It sounds like you are saying that because other people drive 130 mph and don't get caught, you should be able to too.

Yes there are all kinds of impairment. Thankfully there is a test for DUI. If there were an empirical field test for Alzheimer's or stupidity they would likely lock more people up for that as well.

It is the officers judgment as to whether you are fit to drive. IN the case of DUI he has tests he can fall back on. In the case of stupid drivers or folks with age related dementia they are sticking their necks out if they try to protect us from them.

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Old May 29, 2003 | 02:41 AM
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Re: mswaim (answer the ?)

Originally posted by smkstklightning
The ? is how many seniors would be pulled off the road based on the field sobriety test? **** your startin to p*** me off , I really liked you but i dont know anymore. By the way you guys chose the job, its really not becoming when you cry about the duty. People die, thats the reality get used to it. You want to get shot at and give the bad news to parents for $50.000 a year its the choice you made and goes with territory. I know we need ya but please be realistic.
Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter, know one will reply to the senior driver questions I just dont understand.
Pissing you off why? You break the law by being legally IMPAIRED, became someones cell bitch and you blame me? Bah.. Think of it this way... Youre lucky you didnt get in an accident and hurt someone.

Tell me why i would pull a senior over? Just because he was OLD? Thats profiling you goon!

I chose my job because i wanted to help people. People just dont die for the hell of it. When someone takes it upon thmeselves to drive under the influence, then kills someone as a result from it, how does that make it a reality? YOU caused it and it could of been prevented. Youre looking for sympathy in the wrong place bud.

Being a civil servant isnt something you do for money. Have you ever chose a career based on what you love to do?
 
Old May 29, 2003 | 06:42 AM
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IN cali its .08
 
Old May 29, 2003 | 08:20 AM
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Actually, at 0.8 you are clinically DEAD, from alcohol poisoning.

This thread should be listed under the Stupid Forum. As it really doesn't qualify for anything else...

Hey Kev, how you been bro?

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