I don't need to waist money dynoing which filter flows more air.

The dyno is not going to show you that. Common sense should tell you that.

I have been dealing with air filtration and cleaning for 20 years. Your going to have to take my word for it. More surface area=more airflow. Less surface area=more restriction.


Read that thread again Grasshopper....your still missing the point. The education you seek is there. Your just not picking up on it.


Rocks

 

I believe there is the argument that a "modded" stock airbox will net you a *lower* ET than a open-element 12 inch cone filter.

The supposed reasoning behind this, if I understand correctly, is that the airbox keeps the air cooler than a regular open-element cone filter, which is open in the engine compartment and subject to the heat of its surroundings. Thus the cooler air is seen as more important than the sheer volume of air the open-element filter can flow.

This argument, however, does not work with an enclosed open-element 12 inch filter like the JLP or PSP models.

Also some believe that it basically comes down to price. Why pay 1-200 bucks for something that benefits you as much as simply drilling some holes?

(By the way, I have a JDM filter kit I bought used for 100 bucks including the outerwears. I then sold my stock airbox for 50+ and thus swapping to my 12 inch cone filter was about as expensive as upgrading to a K&N filter, which by the way no one argues against).

 

LOL. I think what your saying is that common since prevails over proven facts? I'm not saying lets just go waste money dynoing for these filters alone. Next time everyone in talon wants to do a dyno in the future then we can find out at our leisure. You are probably very knowledgeable about your job with air flow and what not. But a motor is not an a/c, same princibles maybe. But in my oppinion does not apply to our motor. I want to see numbers. And yes i see no reasoning behind spending that much money for a filter. Most would probably argue about this cause most droped the 200+ for a filter they thought they needed. Seems like people buying mods is more of a trend than reaching goals of improvement. How bout a plasma booster ? Thats 450 down the drain that could buy or go towards something an actual gain. price vs hp gains i think is not worth it unless i see a dramatic increase.

 

LMAO @ those Gator pics!! Thats some funny chit! But it just goes to show that you northern boys just aint got what it takes.Things are bigger in Texas! Us Texans have to grab ourselves just above the knee area!

All your ladies are belong to us Texans.

 

The real deal is this nate. No mod stands all by itself in making H.P. with the exception of a pulley or chip.

The point I am trying to make is that in a close to stock truck, such as yours, it probably doesn't make a difference wether you have a box or a cone. But when you get to the point that you are making some real H.P., the mods compliment each other. If using stock or just a tad bit more boost is the situation, drilling a couple holes in an airbox may work fine because you don't need the extra capacity anyway. Now kick that boost up some or throw in some longtubes and maybe some high flow cats, your better breathing cone filters are going to become usable.

As to ignition helpers...the real gain is not in raw horse power, but it is in the ability to utilize larger gaps with less chance of flame blow out. This in turn will help you to get a more complete combustion.

What happens so much of the time on these forums is folks are looking for some magic one shot bullet to knock them into a better time. The real issue though is it takes mods that compliment each other.

Rocks

 

stock truck? . maybe compared to yours. hell, i dont even know what you have now. I'll leave this thread at this. If i ever have the opurtunity to dyno both filters. Then i guess I will stick my foot in my mouth if I am wrong.

 

I figured the stock truck comment would shake you up .

Hey, with those mods you really could use some better airflow...LOL.

How many extra ponies you figure you gained from that throttle body?


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Thats the first thing I've read here in a while that makes sense.

 

A little off topic but is there anything from MSD that is comparable to the Plasma Booster? I just trust the former a little more than Ignition Solutions....

They have the Stacker 8 system for our trucks and I've heard some gains in MPG so that alone would be worth it to me. But as for as gains, are the two comparable?

 

The only other system I know of is called Direct Hits. I really don't know much about it other than it is a similar type helper to the plasma booster. It does require you to use some specific type plugs. But that is about as far as I can go with how it works.

It is my opinion that neither of these products are raw all out power gainers. I have seen dynoes showing some gains and seen some showing no gains. Dynoes are a fricking joke when it comes to trying to determine what one particular mod is gaining you, with maybe the exception of a chip or pulley. They also will show gains from engine rebuilds and other mods of that magnitude. But we all need to be realistic about wether or not an 8-10 H.P. improvement is due to the mod or the dyno operator/conditions.

IMHO, the ignition helpers are at best allowing larger gaps for improved combustion in extreme conditons.

Rocks