good, even better then! if what you speak is true, then im happy, i just looked up my truck in the NADA book and they says its worth more then the KBB anyway.

The prices thety give are just an estimate i know, nothing solid i should expect to get... in fact, my asking price is way below what they even say "trade-in" is worth!

 

Dealers are here to make money, who cares about the customer. I do still like some dealers but you can't say they aren't out to screw you if they can. My BLACK BOOK rough on my truck is $24k... When i took my 2002 Ford Lightning with 12k miles to a few DEALERs, they all said 22-23k MY truck is paid for and every 02 i found with less than 15k miles, dealers wanted 28-29k... thats almost a 5 grand difference. SO i said screw that! thats one expensive car wash and rent.

 

Right on. I bet Lightningquick's immaturity would reflect similar substandard customer service on a his lot as it does on here.

Lightningquick: catch the flipside on this one. People who don't like your prices won't buy from you. The keyword of a dealership is *deal* as in give-and-take. But by the look of your posts, you seem more disgruntled to yell at the customer's offer on the table than try to work with it...."

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Actually,I have a very good reputation and no I dont "DEAL".The way i work is a No hassle price.Actually im usually a little cheaper than my competion which gives me more sales.But on the other hand,If people "dont buy from me",I would not be online crying that I got screwed by the consumer. Its business plain and simple.You wanna know who really gets screwed??The people who buy 16oz of water for $1.29,Yet its about .06 cents a gallon through your town ot better yet $50 cents for a GALLON at the grocery store.You guys crack me up.Typical consumer thinking.No Ive never "yelled" at a customer because if they dont buy a car,Someone else will buy it..No need to get emotional with a customer.By the way,for the original poster of this thread,If you opened your eyes,You would see,In one of my previous post,I told you this wasnt aimed at you ,I know you were just asking a question.No need for you to get your panties in a bunch.For anybody else who questions my ethics,DONT cause you have never delt with me on a business level.

Reminds me of the time,I had a customer look at a car before it was"through my shop" and ready to be retailed.It had a charging problem and the genious thought he was gonna "steal" it from me.I told him about the battery charging problem and he said he would rather buy it for cheap and have it fixed himself.I told him just to wait but he insisted if I knocked off $300,He would take it AS IS.He thought he was goona "steal" it and screw the dealer .Against my advice to him ,I sold it too him and when his mechanic charged him more than what he thought was fair,He called me and said I SCREWED HIM....You are better to screw the public cause no matter how honest you are,The dealers always the a-hole in the end.He knew EXACTLY what he was doing but because he didnt screw me like he thought he was gonna,Im the jerk.Sounds like something some of you might do.Remeber this.95% of the time,The dealer wins Like it or not.

 

Just like you mentioned, these are only guides, not cast in stone prices. The bottom line is what is the difference you are willing to pay. Let's say they give you $25,000 for your truck and charge you $34,000.00 for the new truck. That's a difference of $9000.00. Now, instead, they give you only $23,000 for your truck and are willing to sell you the new truck for $31,000.00. Which deal would you take? Your pride says "my truck is worth $25,000.00" so you take the first deal and lose $1000.00. Trust me this happens in car dealings. It's up to the buyer to negotiate the best deal each party is willing to live with. I don't know about you, but when I sell something, I'll try and get as much for it as possible. As a prospective buyer, you aren't obligated to trade the truck in to them. If they aren't willing to give you the deal that you think is right, then search elsewhere, but be prepared, you may have to go back there as it's the best deal you find. Don't let pride blind you in your decision making. Do your homework and you should come out ok.

(The above deal was just an example and wasn't meant as anything you have done)

 

good example NaviMan

 

The used car business is dishonest, period. I'm in it. I know it.

 

Used car salesman were not given a bad reputation,they EARNED it fair and square!

 

Yea yea, please remember what board you're on. Please don't peddle some late-night "buy a car with bad credit" infomercial here. No hassle price? I doubt ANYONE here is stupid enough to believe a dealership into thinking that he honestly stickered a car's price at ROCK bottom where there is absolutely NO room for negotiation.

Buying cars, whether new or used, is not going to Wal-Mart for a gallon of milk where you can't negotiate with the cashier. If a salesman refuses to work with me at ALL and simply repeats "our price is no hassle" and "that price out there on the car is the lowest I can go" then I walk away plain and simple. And I can assure you 99.99% of the people on this forum would do the EXACT same thing (unless you were selling brand new 03 Ls for 28k off the bat).

And for used cars, there is a WORLD of difference between what any dealership asks and what you can end up getting it for. It's not about honesty, it's about STUPIDITY. NO dealership is going to offer you the best deal possible without *some* markup. Everyone figures if they can scrape a couple of hundred dollars off a sale, why not? Of course that's just an example. In reality, it could be anywhere from 2-300 bucks to a couple of thousand. Either way, that difference from what the car *can* be had at and what they are asking is where most like to tango

 

You think you are so smart.........If you knew ANYTHING about the car industry,You would realize some dealerships do have "no hassle" price.Its called HIGH volume.

"And for used cars, there is a WORLD of difference between what any dealership asks and what you can end up getting it for. It's not about honesty, it's about STUPIDITY. NO dealership is going to offer you the best deal possible without *some* markup. "

Who the hell said there wasnt mark up????I just said,If you dont like my price,Go somewhere else.ALL no hassle price dealerships are the same.


"And I can assure you 99.99% of the people on this forum would do the EXACT same thing "
Yea Yea Your right thats why some of you are complaining.It doesnt sound like 99.9 % of you are happy with your deals??!!

I deal with people like you EVERY day and the funniest part is.....People like you with the biggest mouths are usually the ones who leave me,shop til you drop and then realize my "no hassle" price is lower than what everyones "best price after haggling".Then you come back to me with your tail between your legs and the car you looked at yesterday is sold and you dont understand how it could sell so fast.there an old saying
The car are you are looking at today and want to think about is the same car that somebody looked at yesterday and thought about it.


"Everyone figures if they can scrape a couple of hundred dollars off a sale"

You can figure all you want but,if you do not want to pay whats on my window,Dont buy it.I can assure you my no hassle price is what you are paying or you are not buying.Believe it or not.I realize some of you might be ignorant to the fact but up here in the North east,About 50% of the dealers up here do "no hassle pricing".Its much easier to do and usually makes for happier customers.The ONLY variation in price would come from your trade which will be value at ACV"actual cash value"See thats the problem,just like navi man said,You are so honory,most of you dont even know you are getting screwed cause you dont even have a clue what the REAL numbers are.If you want 25K for your trade,and i give you 26,You are about to start blowing monkeys not realizing that you are paying too much for what your buying.There is so much that the average consumer does not realize.Your ignorance is EXACTLY how we make money.9 times out of ten,if the dealer plays by 'YOUR " rules,he makes more than if you just played by the dealers....To a point....

You guys keep thinking how you want and ill sit back laughing while my pockets get bigger.call me what you want but youll be calling collect before I will.Ok so im scum of the earth car dealer,tell me that when im 40 retired on a nice ol boat in FLorida.....Beauty is on the inside,thats what fat people say.Money doesnt matter,Thats what broke people say.......

I by no means think $$ is most important.My family is but survival if the fittest is how i live.......

 

Most dealers here in NJ use Galves values.. my trade in on my '01 was about $22k a month or two ago. KBB is worthless when talking to dealers for trade-ins.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lightningquick
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I deal with people like you EVERY day and the funniest part is.....

most of you dont even know you are getting screwed cause you dont even have a clue what the REAL numbers are.

not realizing that you are paying too much for what your buying.There is so much that the average consumer does not realize.Your ignorance is EXACTLY how we make money.
tell me that when im 40 retired on a nice ol boat in FLorida.....I by no means think $$ is most important.

"The people like you qoute" - hmmmmmmmm thinks he's better than everyone else...

"Most of you don't know your getting screwed qoute" - Openly admitting he screws people.

"Not realizing your paying to much qoute" - Openly admitting he charges to much.

"Your ignorance qoute" - thinks were all ignorant and he makes money off of us - cause we are.

"I by no means think $$ qoute" - whenever someone says that you can be assured money means everything to him.

and lastly -

"I'll be on a boat qoute" - well sir, all I can say is - "I hope you have to buy that boat from a Dealer" -

 

I think the best is when a dealer says that no one will beat their price, and u drive up the next day in the same truck or car with a nice invoice that reads lower than their price.

But this is why i like to buy cars and bikes person to person... Wait and you'll allways find what your looking for at your price. And I also sell my own stuff.

Man im glad i don't buy crap in NH

 

Hey..
SonicHog....

you have a good sense of humor..

I can dig it...

Why do you think they call em dealers...

because the obvious isn't...

 

Exactly, last time I checked when I bought my Lightning I wasn't hurting for transportation. I like the Lightning and waited around until I felt like making the purchase. No tucking of the tail for me.

Lightningquick, I bet you run your "business" from a trailer. How about you give us your dealership name and location. If you truly believe that your price is unbeatable, then by all means let us know the name. After all, it would only gain more business if what you've said is true...

You puff out your chest online, but when it comes to the end of the month when I walk in as a customer with checkbook in hand, I bet you'll be just a little more wise in the choice of your words.

Oh and just to clarify, I bought my truck from a volume dealership. No hassle price or not, I worked with the salesmen and we both walked away happy. I never complained that I paid too much for my truck, but that's probably because I didn't buy from you.

 

Let's assume for the sake of argument that the KBB figures are accurate (even though we know they are not). Would you be happy if the dealer offered you the $23,450 for your trade? You would still be losing $3,550 over what you could ostensibly sell it for yourself. Why would you voluntarily hand that much profit over to the dealer, instead of pocketing it yourself? When a dealer sees someone approaching with a Blue Book they immediately think, "Here comes another sucker with a Bible." Its hard to believe that so many people can be so naive about spending many, many thousands of dollars on a new vehicle. In this game the dealer is the pro, and you are the amateur, so if you don't do your homework you're going to get hosed every time. I highly recommend that every potential buyer read "Don't Get Taken Every Time" by Remar Sutton, available at Amazon. It could possibly save you hundreds or even thousands of dollars, and its a very amusing read as well.