Works 140 Progress Update
Sal, I would be very interested in a before-and-after dyno on a bone stock truck. I would be looking to bolt on an aftermarket supercharger (and larger throttle body if required to support the airflow) and running up the boost until the charge temps exiting the supercharger are roughly the same as the stock Eaton. I am not interested in a chip or any other mods, with the potential exception of high-flow cats.
Charge temp seems to be a fair basis on which to compare blowers.
Charge temp seems to be a fair basis on which to compare blowers.
Originally posted by Dale-01L
We'll see what 25-30psi will make for HP once I get a built motor in my truck!
-Dale
We'll see what 25-30psi will make for HP once I get a built motor in my truck!
-Dale
That is truly BAD ***!!!Hey Dale, no rush bud, I'm still trying to beat you atleast once more!!
p.s. NOT my truck above!
I would also be extremely interested in a Dyno exactly like the one tim is suggesting. The Stock computers capabilities to compensate for more boost seem to be excellent, and the stock programming much more flexible than most thought, so it would be very noteworthy research.
Exit charge temps would be the perfect place to start.
Exit charge temps would be the perfect place to start.
This sounds like one of those mods that will call for a built motor. I am also curious about other upgrades needed to take advantage of that much boost.
Just off the top of my head, I am thinking built tranny to handle the torque...what can the drive shaft handle?
Then the fuel system may need upgraded to keep fuel flowing to all that extra boost. Maybe some head work(valves).
What else????
Thanks,
Rocks
Just off the top of my head, I am thinking built tranny to handle the torque...what can the drive shaft handle?
Then the fuel system may need upgraded to keep fuel flowing to all that extra boost. Maybe some head work(valves).
What else????
Thanks,
Rocks
Originally posted by 03LightninRocks
This sounds like one of those mods that will call for a built motor. I am also curious about other upgrades needed to take advantage of that much boost.
Just off the top of my head, I am thinking built tranny to handle the torque...what can the drive shaft handle?
Then the fuel system may need upgraded to keep fuel flowing to all that extra boost. Maybe some head work(valves).
What else????
Thanks,
Rocks
This sounds like one of those mods that will call for a built motor. I am also curious about other upgrades needed to take advantage of that much boost.
Just off the top of my head, I am thinking built tranny to handle the torque...what can the drive shaft handle?
Then the fuel system may need upgraded to keep fuel flowing to all that extra boost. Maybe some head work(valves).
What else????
Thanks,
Rocks
Originally posted by Tim Skelton
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords did a test with a stock engine with a stock chip (on 100 octane) and stock fuel system and got 522 rwHP. That's plenty for me. Granted, that was just a few dyno pulls, so maybe the block and tranny can't hold up long-term.
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords did a test with a stock engine with a stock chip (on 100 octane) and stock fuel system and got 522 rwHP. That's plenty for me. Granted, that was just a few dyno pulls, so maybe the block and tranny can't hold up long-term.
I hope that I'm one of the first on the list to get one...I've been on the list for awhile
Can't wait though
Well I see we have hit the point where the years just keep getting more and more expensive with the mods
Now if only my job will give me a raise
Tim - I'd love too see that dyno comparison also. If they need I will donate my truck in the name of research
Now if only my job will give me a raise
Tim - I'd love too see that dyno comparison also. If they need I will donate my truck in the name of research
This blower was run on this same truck, when it had the stock motor on it as well. It made 509rwhp, also with 19psi, and that was with a 2lb lower, and 3.00 upper. The truck ran like that for a while, with no engine problems, and also no detonation problems, even with no bypass, and on CA gas (a testiment to the efficiency of the blower). After the PSP long block was installed with the CNC ported heads, boost dropped a bit from the obvious less restriction, so a 4 lb lower was installed, with the same 3.00 upper, and that brought it back up to 19 psi.
Tim's idea of testing is a good idea, but I really don't think it's a fair comparison. If you were testing two blowers of the same size, then you could fairly compare them based on outlet temps. But the Works 140 blower is almost 50% larger than the Eaton, so it's not really something that can be compared. Since the 140 moves so much more VOLUME of air, it can produce way more power. At high boost levels, the outlet temps are naturally going to go up (more compression=more heat). However, if the Eaton was capable of reaching the same boost levels, it's outlet temps would be WAY hotter. If you want to compare something between the Eaton and the 140, then look at a typical truck, with all the bolt ons, cranking 19 psi. Most trucks like that barely hit 450-rwhp, and the torque has dropped usually over 100 ftlbs by the upper rpms. On this truck with the stock motor, the 140 made 509rwhp, and torque barely dropped 50 ftlbs across the power band. That's some serious usable power.
Tim's idea of testing is a good idea, but I really don't think it's a fair comparison. If you were testing two blowers of the same size, then you could fairly compare them based on outlet temps. But the Works 140 blower is almost 50% larger than the Eaton, so it's not really something that can be compared. Since the 140 moves so much more VOLUME of air, it can produce way more power. At high boost levels, the outlet temps are naturally going to go up (more compression=more heat). However, if the Eaton was capable of reaching the same boost levels, it's outlet temps would be WAY hotter. If you want to compare something between the Eaton and the 140, then look at a typical truck, with all the bolt ons, cranking 19 psi. Most trucks like that barely hit 450-rwhp, and the torque has dropped usually over 100 ftlbs by the upper rpms. On this truck with the stock motor, the 140 made 509rwhp, and torque barely dropped 50 ftlbs across the power band. That's some serious usable power.
Last edited by LightningTuner; Jan 5, 2003 at 03:25 PM.


