I just read this and it blows me away that people will kill innocent people just because of a news paper article. I am sorry, I have a very hard time with this.

What do you think? Make sure you read all the way to the end.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...ia-riots_x.htm

 

This is an enthusiast truck website.
The members here own trucks.
The majority are normal.
Some are devoted.
A few are extremists.

Major religions are the same way.

The few extremists will strap a bomb to themselves and board a bus or blow up an abortion clinic.

The more plentiful 'devoted' ones won't go this far but, they will throw rocks and shoot from behind barricades so long as they can run away. They may also carry picket signs, bang on cars going thru picket lines etc...

The majority are just normal and never get any Press.
The Press likes to paint with a broad brush.

 

wow, Raoul what a great statement!

I guess because I am not an extremist I have a hard time understanding why someone would satb a passerby for no reason during the protest. I understand throwing rocks at the police, but an innocent bystander?

I am having a hard time putting thoughts to words on this. I guess I am not surprised that people can lose such normal common sense over a small statement about someones god. I have a very hard time with the hypocrisy of how some people follow their faith. (Any faith)

oh well.

 

Sorry Raoul but you are falling for the PC line that so many people are putting out. Let's forget the touchy feely crap and look at a few facts.

1. Jesus taught us that "he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword." and Mohamid taught that "the sword is the key to heaven."

2. under Islam the only guaranteed way to get into paradise is to die in the battle against the non believers. Mohamid said on his death bed that he did not know if he would make it in since he had not achieved martyrdom.

3. There are about 140 shooting wars around the world right now and at least 135 of them have Muslims on at least one side, some of them are Muslims on both sides. That makes 20% of the worlds population responsible for 98% of the worlds wars. That just can't be accomplished with "a few extreamists".

4. Hitler claimed to be a Christian and it was a group of predominantly Christian countries that put him out of business. Can you name the last Muslim leader who came out on their own to condem the acts of the terrorists?

And this is the fastest growing religion in the world (ever hear of the anti-christ?) God help us!!

 

RTWINGER, that Rush Limbaugh tripe you are trying to sell would have a bigger market share if you spelled 'Mohammed' correctly.

1. Jesus said a lot of things. Tunnel vision is not good.

2. The Koran says a lot of things. Tunnel vision is not good.

3. There are actually 280 shooting wars in the world, 135 of them are in Detroit.

4. LOL, I got a feeling you came up with that one. Even Rush wouldn't try to sell that. Let me follow that logic. Hitler brought a Country to war. A European Country. Why in hell didn't the US just declare war on all of Europe? I'll never understand that. Just as now, a few Muslims extremists should cause us to declare war on the entire Muslim World.

The interesting thing you said is "God help us!!"
Why?

 

Raoul

The original post on this thread was to ask for thoughts about the murders that had happened because of the reaction of some Muslims to a comment made that Mohammed might chose a wife from the beauty contestants.

For this comment, how many innocent bystanders lost their lives? Persons that didn’t even make the statement? How many times have people made derogatory statements about other religious figures? Would it cause murder like this? I think the murders are more because this beauty pageant is happening in a Muslim area where they are totally against any such event than whether Mohammed would have chosen one of them as a wife. After all he even chose a 9 year old. In the Muslim countries they have no tolerance for anything that doesn't hold to their religious teachings.

I have always enjoyed your humor. I don’t enjoy seeing you pick at a spelling error. Oh maybe you just meant this with humor…I could accept it in that vein

 

Whoa, the first post asked what do you think... so I replied.

I then got hit with this:
It was a cheap shot to dismiss his post with a spelling comment I regret that.

I should have worked harder and found some facts of my own.

For Number 1
Matthew 7:1-3
1 "Do not judge, so that you won't be judged. 2 For with the judgment you use, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but don't notice the log in your own eye?

Number 2.

Once again, the media serves up the Reader's Digest version and we swallow it all. Those that should explain it correctly do not as it does not serve their purpose but, it sure does fan the flames.
This is the verse from the Koran:
Let those who would exchange the life of this world for the hereafter, fight for the cause of God; whoever fights for the cause of God, whether he dies or triumphs, on him We shall bestow a rich recompense

The key here is 'would exchange'.
You do not have to die to receive 'rich recompense'.
Mohammed did not die in battle so, his worry was this, was he truely willing to exchange his life or did he 'duck' at some point. Though he was a great warrior he was not sure on this point and his reward was in the hands of Allah.

p.s. I would not have responded to the post if he had left my name off of it. I avoid these type threads like the plague but, if you are going to call me out, bring your 'A' game.

 

I read it. And I thought it was crazy. Christians and Muslims killing innocent people for nothing? What's this world coming to?

 

Raoul,

I wasn't trying to put you down with the touchy feely line and plead guilty to the spelling error. As far as the facts go I can't find the reference that I had to all the little wars but you can go here and see a list of the big ones and check on the ethnicity of the combatants. You can definitely identify a trend. I am still looking for the whole list and will post it if I find it.

http://www.incore.ulst.ac.uk/cds/countries/

The problem I have is that there are a few fanatics in every religion who will kill in the name of their God but compare the percentage of the acts of violence to the percentage of the population that is represented by the offending religion and the numbers alone will tell you that it is not just a fringe extreme that is doing these things in Muslim countries.

Last summer in Saudi Arabia a girls school caught on fire and the girls ran out to save their lives. The first officials on the scene were the religious police and they ran the girls back into the fire because they didn’t have the proper clothing on. Their clothes had already burned up and 19 teenagers died in the lobby. Now imagine an African American school burning in America and a bunch of guys in white hoods showing up and not letting the kids out. What would the “American Street” do?? My point is that an extreme fringe of any society can not get away with that kind of conduct.

 

RTWINGER, please accept my apologies.

My final thoughts on this.

Thus it has been for thousands of years.
Before we were who we are.
We care now because we want their oil.
No oil and we would not care.
We would not be there.
Our influence would not be there.

 

We all want to exchange thoughts and get a little excited sometimes, or maybe since it is Friday we are all a little end of the week tired!

We will never all agree on certain subjects but isn't it great that in this country we can argue, have a beauty pageant, practice any religion we chose, and drive a big ole Ford pick up truck!!!

 

Actually we don't get much oil from there anymore, the hype that we are dependent on oil from the that region of the world is also media hype. One thing that is not is no matter what the West does we will always be the crusading heathens. The few in power will always twist religion to their own ends, christianity has been no different. I'm going to really stir it up with my next comment, Religion is a way/tool to control the masses. In the end everything should be between right and wrong.
To add to RTWINGERS comment, I remember reading about the fire in the school. They were actually locked in from the outside. When they were able to find the guard, yes guard to unlock the door they wouldn't let the girls outside because they weren't dressed properly to be in public.

 

How about this?

Let's put all the political spin, fear of being accused of racism and everything else aside, and ask yourselves one question:

Would you, for a second, consider living under the rule of a Muslim "government?" I wouldn't.

You can say it's just a small number of radicals but all over the world, millions of Muslims are being ruled by, harsh, voilent dictators who make the old Soviet Union look like a pretty sensible form of government by comparison. And they are not victims. Apparently, even when they come to America and live among us for years, they remain focused on our destruction. Some of the Sept. 11, murderers lived here and enjoyed the fruits of American society before vaporizing thousands of innocent civilians on that day.

Modern Islam is so obsessed with violence and punishment, the culture has grinded to a virtual halt. At one time, Arab societies rivaled Europe so far as science and art goes. For the last thousand years, all Islam has produced is violence.

Ever wonder why there is only one democracy in the middle east?

Without all the emotion, just think about that simple fact for a moment- because there are many who wish the planet to be ruled by a Muslim.

No more forum politics for me after this. It's bad to mix politics and hobbies. We all love our trucks- it's a common bond.

I hope I haven't offended anyone.

 

Been on this board for 3 or more years and I have always enjoyed his humor; never took him very seriously, but after all this is a board devoted to Ford truck enthusiasts, not, generally, folk with a personal agenda of whatever stripe.

I have now learned that Raoul is a learned man, or at least a serious student of how certain long held beliefs of people of very different backgrounds, whether they be social, religious or just down home folks prejudices can kind of seriously impact on the daily life of just ordinary people.

I don't usually get into this type of thread; also first time I have seen Raoul do so, but it really hurts me that people die, and they do by the hundreds of thousands, because of some sort of philosophical difference of, and dare I say so, which religion is paramount and is the "best".

As a businessman, and I was also involved in "International Business" with cars/trucks/busses/military vehicles for almost 30 years, I fully understand the commercial motive for various countries including ours to try to secure supplies of stuff like oil and the like.

It does sadden me, very much, that perhaps 100 people died in Nigeria because of a rather, maybe stupid, beauty pageant.

Better quit for now.
bill

 

ummm nice weather outside huh?????