Looks like the Iowa Democrats got caught in the act. Someone's going up on felony charges real soon. http://www.qctimes.com/internal.php?...a+%2F+Illinois

 

An overzealous campaign manager blew it. If the tapes/transcripts were given to him anonymously, he should have at least given the other side a courtesy call to find out if it was privileged information, or AT LEAST to verify what was said.

Harkin should fire his campaign manager.

This kind of stuff happens all the time. Most notorious was Richard Nixon and the Watergate break in.

People in office should realize that if they don't want something to get out, they shouldn't say it in the first place. At a minimum, they need to have non-disclosure contracts signed and in hand if they want to discuss sensitive things.

 

That doesn't make it right. I figured you would defend the indefensible with a typical knee-jerk liberal response. Nixon got his just deserts in Watergate.

So that gives people the right to break the law? Uhh, yeah.

 

Frank S:

Yes, it indeed happens all the time which makes Dennis right. It happens all the time with DEMOCRATES. You see the last time it happen with Republicians was with Nixon. Otherwise trust me, Dennis and other liberals would be telling us who did it last

Oh, and yes its ok, not illegal at all, because it's liberals doing it so its not a problem...

You can trust the liberals to dig up old bodies to blame things on, or to make things ok...

As a side note what the hell is with Algore, what a moron. Oops thats right he is a liberal, never mind don't matter that he lied the other day in his drug induced speech. Sweating, looked a bit dazed and confused, not sure what day it was or where he was. It was no wonder he couldn't remember what he said a few years back.

 

...thats the way al gore normally is.

 

Frank

This post title had "liberal bear trap" written all over it. Why would you expect anything but a knee-jerk response? Liberals tend not to be able to see the vast conceptual framework behind what you're addressing.

A good example is the M. Lewinsky incident. Liberals will shout out someone's private sex life is nobody else's business, and other people like Packard and Gingrich have woman follies themselves (which is correct). But they fail to grasp the real issue is perjury and obstruction of justice. If you mention that, then they will argue that it was essentially a witchhunt set up by the Republicans. However, having someone "go after you" legally (even though there may be alternative motives for doing so), does not excuse the requirement to obey the law.

So, what do you think about some illegal election conspiracy? Well, it happens all the time, Nixon takes the cake. End of story....
Liberal mentality really is a "lowest common denominator" one. If someone else does it or has done it worse, it's no big deal.

 

cpadpl:

Stated very well, nice post.

Did anyone see Douchhill today (Majority leaded of the house) has he finally lost his mind? I mean Bush tells the public the truth about the democrates (liberal democrates, the ones with brains are with Bush on this), which is sitting on their *** not wanting to do anything with Iraq, except keep it as in issue and Douchhill is losing his mind and looking like the complete liberal moron he is I think its awesome, pretty much slam dunk for Bush, he has these guys so screwed up that they don't know what to do, kind of like Algore yesterday and his flip/flop on what he said about Iraq a few years back.

Anyway, "I feel your pain" my liberal democrate friends because Bush is spanking your asses bad, and I know it hurts....

 

Why jump down my throat? I agreed that it was nasty business and those responsible should be fired.

Yes, it happens all the time. The Republicans do it too and anybody who says otherwise has got their head in the sand.

Bush is using school yard bully tactics. Hey, if you don't beat up that weak kid, then you must be a f@ggot! Hey, if you don't vote my way you are against America. It's all bully rhetoric and this kind of stuff only works on spineless idiots.

People should look back at history and see that it's repeating itself. The same thing happened in the early 50s when the "Red Threat" scaring people and the flames of fear was being fanned by folks like Joe McCarthy. If you don't vote my way or you don't answer my questions or you don't support this or that, you are a communist. All reasoning goes flying out the window and it will take a single person to bring everybody back to our senses, just like it happened in 1954.

Today, it's if you don't support everything on the pResident's agenda, you are unpatriotic. Hogwash!

If we do everything Bush and Ashcroft wants we will have lost everything we have fought for during the past two centuries. Freedom and our way of life comes at a price. Are we willing to give it up so easily? Are we so willing to let the government dictate even more than it is now? Are we willing to give up much of our freedom that we take for granted?

What ever happened to all you guys who were saying the government should get out of our lives. There should be less regulations. The government should leave us alone. The government shouldn't require firearms registration.

Makes me think I'm dealing with a bunch of hypocrits.

Finally, why the shift in philosphy? We have never been involved in a first strike. We have always acted to defend ourselves when attacked. Why are we now looking at taking a first attack approach? We have always been defenders. Why are we now aggressors?

Do we shoot the bullies because they start going to martial arts school? No!

What Bush is doing is making me afraid. If we attack Iraq without support of the rest of the world, we will have lost the war from the very beginning.

 

Dennis:

"What ever happened to all you guys who were saying the government should get out of our lives. There should be less regulations. The government should leave us alone. The government shouldn't require firearms registration.

Makes me think I'm dealing with a bunch of hypocrits."

What is that about??? What does that have to do with Iraq???

Republicians usally tend to follow the constitution which one of the major priorities is to DEFEND AMERICA. If Clinton wasn't busy playing with cigars and Monica MAYBE we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Problem with Clinton is he had no *****, he couldn't inhale right, couldn't take care of poor ol' Monica right so no dought he couldn't take care of Iraq or the other wackos out there.

""Red Threat" scaring people and the flames of fear was being fanned by folks like Joe McCarthy."

What is that about??? we are not dealing with necessarily another country and either them attacking our military, NEWS FLASH we are dealing with wussies that attack innocent american citizens, NEWS FLASH on Sept. 11th, 2001 there were two plance flown into some tall buildings in NY, one flew into a building in Wash. and one was flown into the ground because the wussies got taken over.

Iraq is a THREAT anyone that does not think so has got their head in the sand. You all can wish upon a star all you want but the FACT is Iraq and terrioust are NOT going away until they have been KILLED plain and simple. Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, he can and most likely sale or give to terrioust some of this weapons of mass destruction so he must be KILLED taken out, buried.

Today first strike is the new motto. Today the new motto should be f*ck with America and you just might end up being a nuke testing spot. Fact is once we take out a sh*t load of these wussies the rest will be running with their tail between their legs.

If I saw someone with a truck next to my house, setting up a missle launcher pointed at my house or a neighbors I would get out my shootgun and shoot everyone of them in the truck I would NOT wait until they launched it at my house, I would NOT wait for them to launch it at my neighbors house.

Now if one of them survived they would probabely say "we were not really going to lauch it, we were just messing around" I would say, "oh well, tough sh*t all your buddies are dead now, and when you get out I'll be looking for you to finish the job I did not complete" That is called a DETERANT , he sees all his buddies are dead, and knows he will soon die once he is let free, so any of his other buddies that might be thinking about it are going to think LONG and HARD

 

Let's see some proof of your accusations. It's put up or shut up time D. Everyone is tired of your BS. Let's see it.

 

Gotta run. Will be back to post my rebuttal later. In the mean time, read the following. Very interesting reading. Very interesting military backgrounds of the top Republican leaders and pundits.


http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-nyh...233sep20.story

Below is an exerpt for those who are too lazy to click on the url...



The chickenhawks were in full-swoop mode yesterday.

Flying low over Washington, making their loud squawking sounds, calling their fellow Americans out to war.

George W. Bush (Texas Air National Guard, term abbreviated) was calling on Congress to "use all means," including a massive military assault, to remove Saddam Hussein as the leader of Iraq.

**** Cheney (Vietnam draft deferment, "had other priorities") was up in Vermont, talking beligerently with that state's Air National Guard.

Attorney General John Ashcroft (Vietnam draft deferment so he could teach business education in Missouri) was pressing ahead with his plan to turn the whole Justice Department into a terror-fighting machine.

Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz (Vietnam draft deferment) was up on Capitol Hill, explaining to the House and Senate intelligence committees how the government missed all those warnings about Sept. 11.

No, there's not a real military-service record in the bunch.

 

Dennis

These stuff is pretty pathetic. What military service did Clinton have? And there is absolutely nothing wrong or "less manly" about service in the National Guard. You are PRESUMING he chickened out or had strings pulled, but you may be PRESUMING wrong. Presumptions do not equal facts.

One of my uncles was drafted during the Vietnam conflict, but was sent to Korea (actually the 4077th MASH unit) instead. Is he a loser because he didn't serve in hand-to-hand combat? Another uncle of mine received a deferment so he could finish his Masters in Theology at Princeton. His intention was to fulfill his service duty when he graduated, but the war had ended by then. How do you know that wasn't Ashcroft's intention (to finish the semester)? So is my uncle a class A ******* also, just like Ashcroft? Many people obtained deferments. Stop assembling facts to fit some sort of "picture" you are trying to paint. Clinton was protesting against America in England during the Vietnam War, and Al Gore was carrying a camera instead of a gun in Vietnam. So the f what?

I guess my father and grandfather have the right to send people into combat because they DID fight in actual wars, but Bush doesn't....I'm going to go call my ******* uncle who was getting his degree in Theology during the war (yeah right, he probably just claimed to worship that Jew guy named Jesus to get out of the war), and tell him what a loser he is....

BTW, what war did you serve in Dennis?

 

To be a great leader all you need is respect and understanding of our military. All of which Clinton did not. Clinton could not stand our military, he left the damn country and then complained about it, now thats a wussie, couldnt do it in his own country.

Clinton gets in office and the moron is sending the military everywhere for everything. That did not make much sence to me since when he was a punk kid he was to wussie to even stay in his own country.

Clinton did his best to use up as much as the military as he could, missles, bombs etc and then not replinishing the supply, what a great leader he was.

I served 10 years in the Navy as an Electrician, so no I was no war hero. I was in during Desert Storm, but didn't get to see any action instead I was stationed in Long Beach installing chemical dectors on ships before they left. I volintered to go on any ship that needed someone, but they were full and NO ONE was giving up their spot. So again, no war hero here. But, I am proud of the fact I was in.

I would have done my 20, but my commander in cheif insured that wouldn't happen due to the drawdown. The one thing I kept asking my Cheif was if we get der slickster's new moto "don't ask don't tell" would I be able to sleep in the womens barricks and shower with them and then have another moto "you don't tell and I won't ask"

So the people in office now are the most qualified since the Reagan admin, and thank God for that!!!

Because we'd be in a hell of a mess with either Clinton or Algore

 

Gawd, you people are so predictable. I bring out an article about how interesting it is that the people pushing for war with Iraq didn't serve Vs what their advisors who did serve in a war are saying and what do you folks come out with? Clinton's record and the schoolyard bully tactic of asking me what war I was in. If I was ever asked to describe the stereotypical Republican right winger, all I'd have to do is say your names.

Keep dragging out the old news. Keep fooling yourselves that the louder you yell, the more it will change fact.

Frank, I don't have to prove a thing to you. Why? For a very good reason. It never did any good in the past. I could tell you the US flag is red, white, and blue and you'd think twice before you answered me.

Blame! Blame! Blame! Whine! Whine! Whine! Same old record. Same old story. Typical Republican right wing behavior. When faced with facts, ignore them and keep pointing fingers and keep blaming, but LOUDER!

LOL, did you realize that Rush Limbaugh got a deferment because he had an ingrown hair on his a$$?

No, I did not serve in any war. Fact is, nobody from my high school graduating class got drafted. Not a single one. A few from the previous class were drafted. The war was already winding down. I guess I ought to stand up before a firing squad, huh? I guess that means I can't have an opinion? Can we say, "Double Standard?" Does it upset you that I didn't get drafted and I was still able to make something of myself and retire almost 10 years ago?

 

Dennis

What exactly did you think everyone would do? Are you suggesting that if we brought up Clinton's lack of military service, you would not reply that the Bush administration has the same flaws? What is so "right-winger" about that? If you call someone's wife fat, you better be sure you're wife isn't a little chunky too, because they are bound to point that inconsistency out to you. Are they then right-winger?

I completely accept the fact the individuals of the Bush administration have no wartime records (of course you did leave out Colin Powell, I'm sure that's an accident on your part). I have no bone to pick with any of them for that, nor do I have a bone to pick with Al Gore, who I'm sure I can surmise had strings pulled if you can surmise that Dubya had strings pulled.

Therefore that article you point out is irrelevent in my opinion. Just a coininkydink. I'm sure a couple of them may have had venereal diseases or done drugs in the past. So what?