I'm just curious as I read polls one way or the other..

1) Do you support the President's position to topple Suddam?

2) Do you consider the Saudis a) our dear friends who are caught between a rock and a hard place on helping us, or b) evil people who gladly support terrorism while being protected from other Arab neighbors by the US?...

 

How about we just let the Middle East countries duke it out amoung themselves? We tell them that whoever wins must continue to sell us oil at a reasonable price and they must stop terrorist acts against the US. For that, we will stay out of their lives. We warn them that if they can't stop the terrorist acts, we'll nuke them and make the area a territory of the United States.

 

1= yes
2=b
finish it

 

Dennis

That's a pretty interesting idea, surprisingly similar to one I had.
My idea was that the Western world (most likely including US, Great Britain, France, Russia, Germany, etc. etc.) form a pact simply stating that if any one of the members of the pact were "nuked", that all members would respond with nuclear weapons to a pre-determined list of "terrorist" countries, including Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.

One might say that it's horribly cruel to hold someone else accountable for the actions of another. However, I base it off of a simple principle learned when I was young - when my father would come into the room and ask who was making all the noise, each kid would blame the other. My father would simply say that if he had to come back in the room he would spank all of us regardless of who was really at fault. Needless to say, each one of us was of the utmost vigilence in keeping the other behaving. Kind of puts a whole new twist on "my brother's keeper"....

I do like your attitude..."We warn them that if they can't stop the terrorist acts, we'll nuke them and make the area a territory of the United States. " I guess that begs another question, why is the general populace as well as every other country is the world nothing but pussies (for lack of a better phrase)....I have a feeling if World War II was today, people would protest dropping the bomb, and 1,000,000 of us would have to go get killed....

 

Guys


Please think BEFORE you open your mouths!!!
I am Canadian, but I would have to say that that US is the greatest country on earth, but it is absolutly baffling how frickin' ignorant and just plain old stupid you guys really are sometimes!!
YOU ARE NOT always right
The rest of the world is not always wrong.

 

And while were at it, lets nuke Canada! Us stupid?

 

Im kind of undecided on the issue. I would love to see Sadaam take a laser guided missle up the rear.

But it kind of makes you wonder why the President's own father and members of his administration are against it. There are more options that need to be considered and tried before we try to take Sadaam out and make ourselves out to be the enemy and bully of the world.

As for the Saudi question. I wouldnt exactly call them dear friends but at the same time they arent "evil doers" who support terrorism. These issues are not clear cut black and white. There are many shades of gray and we must be careful.

 

I noticed that I didn't give a reason for my radical idea. I came up with that idea because of the terrorist attacks, especially including the events of 9/11/01.

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The terrorists say that the reason they're hitting US targets is because of our "meddling" in their affairs. So, I'm thinking we stop meddling and let them deal with the trouble and if the trouble gets out of hand, let the Europeans be the policemen in the Middle East. The US has been the police all these years and where did it get us?

We have spent billions of dollars fighting the war against Iraq. What has it done for us? Are we paying less for Middle East oil than anybody else? Is our military welcomed in the Middle East?

I'm tired of us being the peace keepers of the world. If other countries still want us to be the global police, then they had better start paying for the service. Right now, I don't see where we're getting much out of our efforts in that area of the world.

Yes, I'm becomming cynical. I just want us to fix our problems at home before we go off and try to save the world for everybody else where it seems the only payment and thanks we get is a slap in the face. I feel like we're being taken advantage of by a whole bunch of rich countries, especially those in Europe and the Middle East.

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is to immediately come up with a way to NOT buy any Middle Eastern oil. So that we dont have a reason to be over there in the first place.. lets do what we have to do here to get our oil from N or S America.. then if we do go into the Middle East on an act of war, we can make it a parking lot and not have to worry about it..

 

1) Make sure Saddam and his family are taking a dirt-nap.

2) The Saudis are a bunch of snakes. Tell them to take a stand, if it's wrong, take them out too.

3) Canada is a great place to fish. Does anybody really give a sh*t what they think?......I didn't think so.

 

notirT

I can completely understand your confusion, so let me explain. It would also be nice if you didn't call Americans "ignorant and just plan old stupid." I believe we could say an enormous amount about Canada's responsibility and status in the world theatre and throughout history (or complete lack thereof), but suffice to say that Canada has always been the best neighbor a country could have, so I won't return the favor by insulting Canadians.

First, I think you have to realize that Suddam has violated the terms of the cease-fire sanction that he signed at the end of the war. He has thrown weapons inspectors out (a requirement imposed by the UN Sanction), as well as fired numerous times at US air patrols in the no-fly zone (Duh, is that against the agreement?). Therefore, it is not as if we are just deciding that this man is dangerous and he needs to be overthrown. We were at war with this man, he signed an agreement to stop the war saying he would do a, b, c, and d, and he has stopped doing a and b. Therefore, HE has violated the agreement and has declared war on US. That's the way such agreements work. Are you suggesting that we just do nothing?

Second, as I and other Americans respect (and sometimes admire) the ability of certain countries like Switzerland and Canada to remain neutral in certain conflicts, I would expect them to respect the fact that we are essentially the biggest and only bada$$ on the block (speaking facts, not being arrogant). We are called upon time after time to assist countries that (through appeasement) have ended up over-run by a crazy dictators with a war machine that could have and should have been stopped LONG ago. Considering Canada (always willing to assist in times of need in a small and respectable fashion) has never, NEVER, had that grand responsibility, I would expect a little respect for our position and difficulty with the issue at hand.

Third, I understand the squemishness about nuclear weapons. However, I don't think that the suggested use of them should be met with an "ignorant" comment. What is the ultimate difference between saying we will nuke you and we will utter demolish you with conventional warfare? If 10,000,000 of the enemy are dead at the end of the day, what does it matter whether that happened through nukes, convential warfare, or spontaneous combustion?

How about offering some argumentative points rather than insults?

 

Dennis

I couldn't agree more. What I can't understand is the utter disfunction of the UN. It's like they don't have the ***** to do anything. Saddam broke UN-agreed-upon Sanctions, not US. This wasn't a war between the US and Saddam, it was the UN Security Forces removing Saddam from Kuwait. Now he breaks the terms of the sanction, and the UN and all its members just suck their thumb....

With lack of enforcement like that, the US has to act on its own, then it looks like the war-monger....I'm really starting to think that other countries have been invaded and overrun so many times that it isn't in their nature to be pro-active in heading off disaster (except for Great Britain). It's like a abused wife entering into another abusive relationship....It seems like the US is the only country with the ***** to stand up to a bully....

 

Dennis, you're starting to sound like me. The Saudis have always been 2-faced and yes they DO support terrorism. They will take our money for their oil, and then support and partially fund terrorist attacks against us with that money. Plain and simple, they are murderers. Reagan did a good job of dealing with Libya, unfortunately we will need to go and give these people "a dirt blanket." If we don't, one day a nuke will explode in a major US city. I don't really feel comfortable sending our troops over to Iraq again, but sometimes in life you have to do what's uncomfortable.

 

Sorry Guys
I guess I went a little too far with my comments earlier, but please understand.

There are essentially two reasons why the "president" wants to invade Iraq. 1, oil 2 and probably the biggest factor is immense Isreali pressure to do so.

The US has for many years been an ally and puppet of Isreal and has wrongly back Isreal when the REST of the world has objected.

Let me ask you what is the difference between Iraq and Isreal?
Very little, Iraq has violated aprox.3 UN resolutions by not allowing UN inspectors.
Isreal is in violation of at least 20 UN resolutions in recent years, and while the world condemns Isreali actions, the US, with its sweepng veto powers in the UN, bails them out.
Also understand that Iraq, despite how the largely jewish controlled media would portray them, is not an exremist regime as they would have you believe.

In Iraq, Islamic extremism is NOT tollerated, If you grow you beard too long or start preaching your fanatical **** in the streets, you will be thrown in jail!!
Iraq is more of a democracy than we are told, they have for a free market economy, women can wear sexy clothes, get an education, and be contributing members of society. Sure Sadaam is a nut, but he is harmless.
The real **** over there is in Saudi Arabia and kuwait, Isamic fundamentalist run governments where none of the above is true.
Why the US defend garbage like that defies logic!!
By toppling Sadaam , we all risk getting an extremist nut replacing him, leave him alone, let the jews deal with their own security issues
THE US MUST:

STOP IMMEDIATLY ALL isreali occupation, and acts of terror, DO NOT label a poor Palestinian a terrorist for fighting for what has been taken from them. Realize that it is still a terrorist act when you blow people with a jet or a tank just as it is if you strap o bomb to your body.
STOP the 4 billion dollars that the US gives isreal each year, for building settlements on OCCUPIED lands
Stop being a jewish puppet!

These are the fundamental issues that must be addressed to resolve the problems in the region, not invading other countries

 

"STOP IMMEDIATLY ALL isreali occupation, and acts of terror, DO NOT label a poor Palestinian a terrorist for fighting for what has been taken from them."

You have got to be kidding me!? Israeli acts of terror? These people(Israelis) are defending themselves by killing, yes I said "killing", (OMG) these terrorists that are trained/brainwashed from the time they pop out of the birth canal to hate Israelis. And another thing, the Israels TOOK that land AFTER they were attacked! "To the victor go the spoils".

Whoever replaces Saddam will be someone of the US's choosing.