First off, didn't you read what I was responding to? Second, if you're a power broker in this country, you cannot dispute what I said.

If anybody says anything against any pro Israel measure, they are branded as anti-semitic and in this country, you do not want to be so branded.

My senior Senator, a non-Jew, is one of the biggest if not THE biggest pro-Israel supporter in the Senate so I'm very well aware of how much political clout the Jews have in Congress.

How can you even suggest that the reason we are so pro-Israel is because of our desire for cheap gas? That just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

Well , Well , Well ... LAWGRRL as an attorney I would hope that you would not lose your cool so easily .

As far gasoline is concerned it seems that many people think that the Middle east oil is the only major contributor . In fact it only contributes about 10% of the world supplies of oil . The reason of this myth is because a handful of people in the middle east controls their end of the supply chain .... a few very rich families dominate these countries . By default they control the masses within their country ... by what ??? The evil dollar of course !!!

Again , why do we need to send our soldiers to their death for this cause ? I am a staunch Republican without representation in the White House . Our 2 party system has been so diluted that you can't tell where the lines are drawn . It's not the dollar nor political parties that Washington has in mind . It seems to be an economic stimulus package in diguise . Just my rant .

Life is just too important to throw away for such a thing .

 

no, we shouldnt invade, and as per the above, i was recently watching a news show, and they listed the top three lobbyist groups in the united states.

1, the nra, 2, the tobacco industry, and 3, israel.


it really bothers me to no end to know that this country is listening to another before its own people. israel is a foreign country, not contributing via their paychecks (taxes) but yet they have the 3rd biggest lobbying group. that is wrong, and that is scary. i think it would be wrong for any foreign country to rank so high on this list.

our market is already a mess and getting further involved in the mayhem in the middle east will only make things work, let alone more of a target for foreign terrorists.

 

We're already pushing our luck with Iraq, as it is. Anybody else get the feeling that if we attack Iraq, it will be a disaster for us because it might be all the excuse the terrorists need to hit us again?

 

Why are we going into Iraq... because they are a threat???

They are not as much of a threat at CHINA. This country has nukes pointed at us right now. They constantly provide rogue nations such as Iraq with technology and arms. They violate more civil rights than any nation on earth. Despite all of this, we give them favored nation status.

Same with Russia. They sold millions worth of arms to Iraq and have done the same to prop up North Korea.

The only reason to go into Iraq is to heighten the fright of Americans so they will give up more freedoms for safety. We start depending on the UN for permission to do anything. Why?? This is an internationalist organization bent on creating a more powerful one world government. Don't buy into this. Get Us out of the UN and let us have our sovreignty back. Stay out of needless foreign affairs. Drill in Alaska instead of selling it off to Russia.

There is no logic when a president goes to attack Iraq and treats the Saudis as friends when the majority of the terrorists of 9/11 were Saudi. The Saudi's are the biggest terrorists we could face.

www.welchreport.com

 

notirT

Again, it seems like you're being a little harsh on people who don't agree with you. People have posted their thoughts. Only Dennis and I brought up bombing (or using nuclear weapons). My philosophy on that is the deterrant factor much like that which exists between India and Pakistan. Remember when they were on the brink of war?

Anyway, that's neither here, nor there. My personal opinion (as well as that of particular religious and political experts) is that this was a religion-based attack. Certainly, our foreign policy may not help the situation. But that's my entitled opinion.

Who exaclty is the "loud mouth that says, bomb the ****ers, without thinking first." - I haven't seen such a post. I seem to remember someone stating they were surprised how "frickin' ignorant and just plain old stupid you guys really are sometimes!!" That seems to be the most irreverent post to date.
I find it interesting that you have suggestions for OUR foreign policy. Would you use that same language (frickin' ignorant) during foreign relations if you were in charge of US foreign policy?

 

Eric Bearly

Here's a newsflash

Russia - attempting to heal old wounds, talks of possibly bringing them into NATO someday. No reason to attack.

China - They HAVE nukes. Need I say more?

Iraq - Psycho in charge who is currently shooting at our planes. Will soon have nukes, and will most likely use them immediately (on us and/or Israel)....

 

cpadpl,

How ignorant are your foreign policy ideas...

We attack only nations that will not put up much of a fight (Iraq), and we give favored status and treat nations as friends that sell arms to our enemies (Russia and China)???? Explain how that is good policy.

If Russia is on the road to NATO (another globalist organization eating away at our freedom) then why are they selling arms to our enemies and these so-called crazies.

I am not saying that we should attack any of these nations. I believe we are to stay out of these affairs and take the mindset we had prior to the world wars. Alliances have brought world wars on the wold and have ruined many nations. We need to stay out of them and mind our own business.

How does your logic make sense when you agree with bombing Iraq yet disagree with interfering in China which slaughters and enslaves its people.

 

Lawgrrl

Good gosh, get out of the kindergarten PC mentality. Someone makes a rather empirical statement, and you get insulted? Have you been under a rock for the past 50 years? American Jews don't wield enormous clout in the U.S.? Perhaps you would like to trace the beginnings of Israel (as a UN sanctioned country) and the role America and powerful American Jews played in the creation. How do you think Israel came into existance? Powerful non-Jewish individuals?

How about this so you feel "all-bedder". The US is a staunch supporter of Israel SOLELY because of the Irish and Italians (my heritage). It has nothing to do with proud Jewish immigrants who fled persecution, found a land where they could prosper, and then wanted to return their people to their original homeland.

It utterly astounds me that people are unable to grasp that the mere mentioning of a "class" or "group" of people does not infer a prejudicial insult. Should I be insulted if Dennis says, "Basically the Italians make better pasta dishes because a majority of those dishes originated within their country..."? Gee, why doesn't he straight-out call me a "whop dago"?

 

Eric

Can we please drop the "your ideas are stupid" or "your ideas are ignorant" language from this thread...It gets annoying.. You are comparing apples with oranges, and then presenting me with a basket of pineapples. I'm all for slamming China. However, they have nuclear weapons, which forces us to take a more subtle approach. And I didnt' say treat anyone as "friends".

This Iraq issue stands alone in my opinion. We had a war. They lost the war. They AGREED to weapons inspections AND the no-fly zone. They have thrown the inspectors out, and they have SHOT - READ: SHOT - at US servicemen.

We ATTACK when we win a WAR, and the LOSER violates the CEASE FIRE. How is it good foreign policy to show your opponent that you don't have ***** to back up the agreements of surrender?

We are not and have not been at war with China or Russia. Therefore, the question of a movement against them is really another conceptual argument. So, I do not disagree "with interfering in China which slaughters and enslaves its people."

 

If we stay out of the middle east, our men won't be fired upon. If another nation tried to tell the U.S. that they could not have nukes and that they can not defend their borders, what would we do? We would fight. Iraq is doing the same.

I am no Saddam lover, but I think he has been propped up as a target. Let his own poeple overthrow him if he is so bad. If not, let them deal with the consequences.

We used to be a defensive minded nation focusing on defending our liberty. Iraq is not any more of a direct threat than the Saudis or China (who threatened to launch a nuke on us less than 3 years ago).

We need to beef up our defenses and research& employ our anti-missile defenses.

 

Eric, you make some very good points. The founding fathers did warn us not to get involved in "foreign entanglements". The best direction this country could take is to "speak softly, but carry a big stick." When we were truly powerful, noone dared threaten us. Even Hitler knew to keep us out of WWII until he had finished his business in Europe and Asia. Then the Japanese messed up and you know the rest. Even though I'm not totally comfortable with going into Iraq, (just because it WILL lead to other confrontations with other countries someday), it is almost inevitable now with all the sabre-rattling going on.

We really need to strengthen our human intelligence gathering capability in order to infiltrate and eventually eliminate these organizations, one by one. The Prez. does seem to be headed in that direction which is a good thing, even if one doesn't agree with him on other things. World is getting more and more fudged up by the minute.

 

UN and NATO as powerful super-sovereign entities... Surely, you guys dream wildly.

 

If you followed world events, you would see the gradual power grab by the UN. Were you aware that the UN does not condone the private ownership of fireams, worldwide? Why do you think that is? I pose that ? to you.

 

Who said nuke Canada??

Youz better not come by my place, or else your getting a 9 iron in the butt, and an empty beer can thrown at cha
(Wouldn't dream of throwing a full one)

Really been enjoying reading this thread.
cpadpl : great posts, well written.

Habibi