This is not ok...
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...f_fear_as.html

 

That's what it takes for some to get the picture unfortunately and we have done some teacher training here and it's been a real wake up for the teachers that have gone through it. In my honest opinion this should be happening in every school across America to get the point across how ilequiped the schools are to handle active shooter situations.

Believe me the schools are no where near prepared to deal with active shooter situations.

 

Drills like this should be done after hours

 

Pat, the article says it was done during a teacher in service with no students present during the drill.

 

I'm glad one of the "victims" in this scenario wasn't armed with a loaded firearm. But, other than that, I feel a drill like this really brings home the fact that when you are in "reaction mode", you're at a significant disadvantage.

I doubt there is any way to really protect students and teachers from attacks like this except for creating a prison like environment that has big walls topped with razor wire and a single entrance that is protected with high quality, lethal security. Essentially, you need to establish a wartime "green zone" environment that encloses our schools.

This is just my opinion, of course.

- Jack

 

^This. I honestly don't think many schools are taking safety of children as seriously as they should. Mostly the small towns that think it could never happen there.

 

Whoever thought up the drill may have had good intentions and the surprise drill may have successfully proven a point about lack of preparedness, etc...

BUT, they should have figured out another way to prove their point!

This was a bad idea and easily could have resulted in casualties or property damage.

Whoever approved this 'plan' needs to be held accountable for their poor judgement (as if that ever happens anymore).

 

I agree, - that was just plain stupid. I don't believe that, - damn lucky there wasn't any casualties. I'd attack like a damn animal trapped in a corner. Knock him silly, until I keeled over, -ran out of blood or whatnot. I wouldn't wait to get shot. I mean what are you going to loose, - everything anyway, go down swinging. I couldn't pull that prank on anyone, - that's what it was.

Someone could have had a heart attack.

 

We've been told there most certainly is.

Ban guns!

 

I really hope they get sued for that BS. I think they are lol. Serves them right!

 

That is certainly the noise from the media these days as directly given to them by their puppet masters. This is the unrealistic, irresponsible, uninformed, and unconstitutional message being shoved down the citizens' throats.


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Really!?!? I would like to hear how you would get the point across then?

If it's anything like what we did it was run with the blessing of the police and school administration. We got a chance to run a few drills with local SWAT team in a local high school with the blessing of the school administration and local police with guns and no one got hurt. No ammunition was permitted and every rifle and pistol were triple checked by our team and the SWAT team.

Honestly Jbrew, you would have most likely been frozen in place and unable to react because your brain would have been overloaded by what was happening. I was on the business end of 6 AR's and I knew they weren't live guns but my sphincter was clinched so tight you couldn't have passed a grain of sand through it. When asked to comply I complied quickly and exactly as I was told.

There are quite a few unknowns that could have happened during that exercise but they were put in a very real situation for a reason. The group I work for has been working with local teachers and it's been an eye opening experience for them even though we haven't done anything to that magnitude.

 

Honestly, -are you kidding me?? They were shooting directly at PEOPLE. Maybe you didn't know that? Re- read the article. Like I SAID, I'm not just going to stand there watching people get shot waiting for my turn. Reflexes would kick in, - reflexes unlike yours, that you boldly attempted to broom on me. Just remember you can't hide up your butt forever. Why don't you move there? Join there little militia,freak as many people out as you can. Then say, "Well, this is what could happen duh hu huuu" Your would be taken care of pronto.

They weren't shooting at the clouds above, they were pointing DIRECTLY AT PEOPLE. IF you think that's okay, then you have a screw loose IMO.

That act was shameful and NO REASON for it.

 

You may have checked your weapons, but what about the CCW carriers in the building and surrounding properties? How did you check those without ruining the element of surprise? Did you check the medical histories of the people you were pointing guns at?

Not going to pretend to be a security specialist, but if I were a school administrator and someone came to me with this plan, I would reject it for the following reasons:

1) Puts the health and safety of school employees at risk due to 'quite a few unknowns'. (This one is kind of a big deal. Should not even need to go further.)

2) Puts the school district at unnecessary risk for lawsuits (see #1 above), compromising the mission of the district

3) Puts the district at risk that valued employees who are essential for the mission of the district will quit, due to the fact their employer put their health and safety at risk.

Hey, I could go on all day elaborating on the 3 above, and adding 4 through 10, etc...but if you don't get it already, you are not going to, and I've got better things to do.

 

I'm not trying to broom anything to you and yes I know they were shooting directly at people. I'm not a militia freak or anything else I'm tired of the needless loss of life from school shootings just like everyone else is the members of the firearms training team I work with are family with the reality of school shootings hitting really close to home for us since we consider each others kids our own we would do anything to protect them. This school system did what they thought was right no matter how unorthodox it may seem to everyone else but the bottom line is teachers and school officials are the protectors of our children at school and they should be somewhat prepared for that situation. We can arm chair quarter back what that school system did to death but in the end something has to be done to deter people from doing this in the future.

There are a few issues that need to be addressed at the heart of this with all of them are pretty ugly and difficult to deal with.

1. Something has to be done to improve the mental health care situation in the country and until it's addressed and dealt with I don't see things improving. This is probably the most ugly and difficult issue to deal with just because of the magnitude of it and the very unfavorable stigma that goes along with it. My Ex-wife is Bi-Polar so I have some first hand experience with the mental health care in this country.

2. Securing schools and making them an unfavorable for people to target. There really is no good way to attack this problem just because of the monetary cost's involved as well as not making the schools feel and look like prisons.

3. Most people are very diligent about securing firearms but some are not and they are just left in the back of closet in a case or unlocked gun cabinet. I'm all to aware that if someone really want's a gun they're going to find a way to get one legally or illegally but there has to be some accountability attached to firearms. This is the most touchy and difficult one deal with politically but something has got to be done in a straight forward common sense approach instead of knee jerk ban's or legislation after it's to late.

Their are more issues than this but these are the biggy's as I see them.