Going forward......without brakes.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/...ntcmp=features

 

Meh, Ford diesel's have been throttle by wire since the '94 PSD, and that hasn't proven to be much of an issue. Stroker owners must be smarter than hybrid owners.

Adrianspeeder

 

Round 2.

 

I think blaming the driver and floormats is BS. Drivers and floormats have been around for ages but this sudden self accelertation problem didn't really seem to be an issue before "drive by wire" became the mainstay on vehicles. I am not saying DBW systems are crap but I have no confidence in Toyota's version right now.

I will admit that I don't know why the DBW system is necessary when a cable is cheaper, has no lag and has worked well for decades. Sometimes I think they like to make things more complicated than they need to be.

 

Emissions. They want the computer to control everything about engine operation..

 

Couldn't have typed it any better - my thoughts exactly!

 

The Toyota "version" is the exact same unit as used on all Ford E series vans. It comes out of the same doors, made to the same specs. Ford doesn't have the issue and frankly, I know of no testing that has ever proved any Toyota unit has ever malfunctioned, not even one. More than likely, it's a driver malfunction and Toyota is catching the crap for it. Kinda like the Exploder with the tires. The then Tundra was more prone to roll overs than the Exploder but you didn't hear about those. And the reality of that was driver/operator error not checking their tires and running them near flat.

 

Really? Again?

 

I think Toyota is a victim of there customers stupidity really.. This is just one of those deals that got in the media and took on a life of its own. That said I dont feel sorry for them. I'm glad they are having bad luck..

 

It was kinda strange how Toyota didn't have a problem until they passed GM as the largest manufacturer, and the Gov took over GM. Also haven't heard that the uncommanded acceleration was an issue anywhere else except here in the U.S.

Just sayin'

I too don't trust DBW, it's one of the 2 reasons I haven't bought a new truck. Reason #2 is money!

 

Couldn't have said it better

 

Unless you drive something with a carb or mechanical fuel injection you have some sort of drive by wire.

In older systems the PCM controls the fuel going into the motor by changing the pulse on the fuel injectors. There is a sensor on the throttle and sensors in the intake that figure out how far you're mashing down the skinny pedal. The only mechanical input you have is how far open the butterfly valve is. The rest is up to the car to decide.

The newer systems changed the cable out for a servo motor and a moved the sensors to the gas pedal assembly. The rest is the same.

 

As you can see I drive a Ford truck. I bleed Red, White and Blue, but IF American manufacturers had not had the arrogant attitude that they could build CRAP and the American public would still buy it, and instead tried the way Asia has, to build the best and most trouble free vehicles that anyone has ever known, there WOULDN'T BE Asian cars on OUR roads, instead of being filled with them! The American people weren't as dumb as Detroit thought they were and got tired of being insulted by what came out of the now rusting trash factories of Detroit. I worked on 'em, I know what I'm talking about.

By the way, thank God my truck was built in Virginia, not Detroit!

 

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I could ramble on about this forever. You youngsters here don't remember firsthand the dark days of the 70's and 80's domestic vehicles.

 

So what exactly was the problem with vac controlled EVERYTHING!!!!

My 68 Cougar only had about 17 miles of vac hose on it.