That wasn't my question but.....

So I take you can prove beyond reasonable doubt, that Obama is an illegal immigrant and therefore he should be arrested and imprisoned?

 

He should have to supply a birth certificate, just as any Little League player has to. You're smart enough to know what he has supplied is not even valid for a little league team.

If you read anything else into what I said, that is your own esoteric thought.

 

You said, "Anyone that is not eligible to be in office, shouldn't."

I understand what you are saying with said statement regarding Obama but I don't want put words on the tip of your fingers with my "secular"........ ("esoteric" whatever you mean by that) thoughts. So if you don't mind can you elaborate on your statement, please?

 

His certificate of live birth is just fine, and its a certified copy

 

Using your logic Frank, we can certainly make a dangerous and pretentious conclusion.

Premise: 1
Premise: 2 Obama refuses to provide anyone with prove of U.S citizenship.

Premise: 3 Obama prove of U.S Citizenship is not satisfactory.

Induction: No matter what Obama presents as prove of Citizenship, it would not be acceptable.

Deduction: Even if it were an authentic U.S BC we still won't accept it because we never like to be wrong.

Conclusion: Obama is an illegal immigrant and should be arrested and imprisoned.

 

For the Liberal side, they did throw a pretty big fit about McCain not being a natural born citizen because he was born in Panama. However, he technically is a natural born citizen because both of his parents were Americans of legal age and therefore he met one set of the requirements.

Obama's father is Kenyan and his mother is American who was 18, not the legal age of 21. Therefore he must have been born on US soil to qualify as a natural born citizen and be eligible for PoUS as outlined in the Constitution.

The question is not whether or not he is a US citizen but is he a natural born citizen. You can be a citizen and not eligible for the presidency. I'm not sure either why. I have a feeling there is something on his long form birth certificate and college records that he wants to keep hidden. It might be the fact that he is listed as being of the Muslim religion or that he was born abroad. It could be that he was born naked. I have a feeling that it is something pretty damning or else he would not have gone through such lengths to hide something so trivial.

 

For whatever reason, he is not showing the proper documentation to prove he is a natural born citizen but being a Muslim shouldn't be of any concern to anybody. Nobody throws a fit when other presidents openly admit being of X religion.

All in all, please be known that I do agree that if in reality he isn't a natural U.S born that he SHOULD be arrested and imprisoned.

 

OG I agree with you he has so many other things that show he is unfit for the job that his religion is a non-issue.

However, do you honestly think if he came forward and said, "I am a proud Muslim. I face Mecca 5 times a day to pray and participate in Ramadan every year" he would have been elected? He knew very well in the climate today being a Muslim is a political liability and would cost him the election. It's just another plausible reason he would be willing to go to such extremes to hide his long form birth certificate.

 

If you dont like him then vote him out

 

Well, I can't answer for Frank, but I think that you may be misinterpreting where many of us are coming from.

I for one believe that if Obama didn't meet the requirements under the Constitution to be president, he wouldn't be president. If he could actually pull something like this off it tells us that the Chicago thug political machine is much more powerful than most people think. Really this is more an issue of putting the controversy to rest. Obama holds the key yet he is allowing this to go on and on. He could end this right now. He could expose the people who are making the claims and could allow the country to focus on important issues. Why wouldn't he do that? I think that just that action would improve his favorability ratings.

Obama doesn't have to do a damn thing, unless a court orders him to do so. The court system is the only recourse that people who questions his eligability to be president have. Obama could easily put a stop to this whole circus. Why isn't he doing that?

We can bad mouth Trump and all of the "birthers" all day long. In the end it comes down to trusting our representatives. Obama is our head representative. He has to earn our trust. If it looks like he's trying to pull on over on the American people, he isnt going to earn much trust.

I would think that you Obama fans/defenders would praise him if he would just proove the theory wrong. Why aren't you asking him to do that?

 

Wow. How you get to that after what I said, is ridiculous. Look at the facts-instead of being an apologist-and you will see that.

No one is saying, "no matter what Obama presents...". You said that. Those are your words.

All people want is a "complete" birth certificate with a Dr.s' name, hospital name, and time of birth.

That has NOT been presented. This is a fact. If it had been presented, this would not even be an issue.