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Old Jan 23, 2011 | 01:58 PM
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Apparently, attempting to dialog about whether the government has the right to tell a homeowner who gets to spend the night in their house is the same as 'hating gays'.
 
Old Jan 23, 2011 | 02:51 PM
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Apparently, attempting to dialog about whether the government has the right to tell a homeowner who gets to spend the night in their house is the same as 'hating gays'.
Who you allow in your house is your business. Who you allow in your place of business is a totally different matter, governed by the bylaws and laws as set out by your city/county/state/country. The same as having to abide by your local building code. If you don't want to abide by those rules, don't open the business...

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Old Jan 23, 2011 | 02:54 PM
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Apparently, attempting to dialog about whether the government has the right to tell a homeowner who gets to spend the night in their house is the same as 'hating gays'.

No one is saying you can't control who stays in your private home. When you become a hotel you give up that right for the privilege to make money off it.
 
Old Jan 23, 2011 | 03:10 PM
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Habs, you just don't 'get it'. No one hates gays.
Yah right. If you believe that, I've got some really high and dry land for you in the everglades...

You're starting to become another K-mac with your logical thought processes that go right over my head and it's making me dizzy.
fixed it for ya...

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Old Jan 23, 2011 | 03:34 PM
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Ah, so in Canada, a home based B&B is no longer a home, but it expected to conform to all the same rules as the large chain hotels many times the size.

It's not that way in the USA.

Here in the states, requirements for things like fire sprinklers, food safety inspections, insurance, parking, safety inspections, etc...for a 4 bed B&B are simply not the same as the requirements on a 1,500 room mega hotel. In Canada, I guess they are. Given that business climate, I'm astounded anyone in Canada can afford to run a B&B.
 

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Old Jan 23, 2011 | 03:41 PM
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Ah, so in Canada, a home based B&B is no longer a home, but it expected to conform to all the same rules as the large chain hotels many times the size.

It's not that way in the USA.

Here in the states, requirements for things like fire sprinklers, food safety inspections, insurance, safety inspections, etc...for a 4 bed B&B are simply not the same for us as the requirements on a 1,500 room mega hotel. In Canada, I guess they are. Sounds like you would have to be an idiot to have a B&B in Canada.
That depends on where you are. If you own a B&B here in IL you are subject to most of the same laws. I will bet if you call your local building inspector they will tell you that you are off base on this. They can't maintain a roach box with faulty wiring and no insurance here either.

I think y'all need to check out places without so many restrictions like Somalia to conduct business. Might not be as strict there.
 
Old Jan 23, 2011 | 03:53 PM
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I think y'all need to check out places without so many restrictions like Somalia to conduct business. Might not be as strict there.
So property and business owners in Somalia have a more rights than they do in Canada and the USA?

You are a real font of valuable information.
 
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......... No one hates gays.

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C'mon Frank even I know you didn't just fall off the turnip truck!
 
Old Jan 23, 2011 | 04:01 PM
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Habs, you just don't 'get it'. No one hates gays.
Yah right. If you believe that, I've got some really high and dry land for you in the everglades...

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You're starting to become another K-mac with your logical thought processes that go right over my head and it's making me dizzy.
fixed it for ya...

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Old Jan 23, 2011 | 04:29 PM
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So property and business owners in Somalia have a more rights than they do in Canada and the USA?

You are a real font of valuable information.

In Somalia as long as you can protect your property you're set but of course since they have no government, those with the biggest gang and most guns have control!
 
Old Jan 23, 2011 | 04:49 PM
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Apparently, attempting to dialog about whether the government has the right to tell a homeowner who gets to spend the night in their house is the same as 'hating gays'.
So Dave, you are smart enough to know that once money changes hands there is a contractual obligation right?

The Couple pays the money for the room, the nice old religiuos couple accepts the money and now there is a contract, a business contract.

At that point it becomes a business and not their private home once the money changes hands.

In the article, the B&B accepted their reservation. Then, once they found out their orientation, they changed their mind and reneged based on their personal beliefs.

In reality that is quite the presumptious question from the B&B owners... "Are you gay?" Hello?
How about none of your frikkin business!
Since when does anyone have the right to ask you about your sexual orientation or religious or political POV, and then deny you service based on wether they agree with you are not?

It's discrimination plain and simple.

'Discrimination' is the prejudicial treatment of an individual based solely on their membership in a certain group or category. Discrimination is the actual behavior towards members of another group. It involves excluding or restricting members of one group from opportunities that are available to other groups.


There are several ways to discriminate against someone including
- sex
- age
- religion
- political views
- sexual oritentation
- ethnicity
- colour

So you're saying that a private business owner should have the right to serve who he wants based on his own prejudices?
So if he doesn't like black people he can put up a sign "Whites Only"
This is ok in your book?

In case you missed it we live in a 'society' with people who share various beliefs that don't always match our own, and in a society we learn to make the best of it and get along by treating people fairly and equally. That's why these laws are made to stop people from being ****s to each other.

Those nice elderly folks are breaking the law by denying service to the couple based solely on them being gay. They broke the law, period, and now they closed up shop because they can't get past their bigotry.

Myself, I'm not gay but I defend their rights because if people are allowed to trample all over them, whose next? Next thing you know there will be a sign saying no fat canadians allowed in the bar, and then its on me, screw that.

It's not 1973 anymore, times have changed
 
Old Jan 23, 2011 | 05:29 PM
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So Dave, you are smart enough to know that once money changes hands there is a contractual obligation right?

The Couple pays the money for the room, the nice old religiuos couple accepts the money and now there is a contract, a business contract.

At that point it becomes a business and not their private home once the money changes hands.

In the article, the B&B accepted their reservation. Then, once they found out their orientation, they changed their mind and reneged based on their personal beliefs.

In reality that is quite the presumptious question from the B&B owners... "Are you gay?" Hello?
How about none of your frikkin business!
Since when does anyone have the right to ask you about your sexual orientation or religious or political POV, and then deny you service based on wether they agree with you are not?

It's discrimination plain and simple.



There are several ways to discriminate against someone including
- sex
- age
- religion
- political views
- sexual oritentation
- ethnicity
- colour

So you're saying that a private business owner should have the right to serve who he wants based on his own prejudices?
So if he doesn't like black people he can put up a sign "Whites Only"
This is ok in your book?

In case you missed it we live in a 'society' with people who share various beliefs that don't always match our own, and in a society we learn to make the best of it and get along by treating people fairly and equally. That's why these laws are made to stop people from being ****s to each other.

Those nice elderly folks are breaking the law by denying service to the couple based solely on them being gay. They broke the law, period, and now they closed up shop because they can't get past their bigotry.

Myself, I'm not gay but I defend their rights because if people are allowed to trample all over them, whose next? Next thing you know there will be a sign saying no fat canadians allowed in the bar, and then its on me, screw that.

It's not 1973 anymore, times have changed

Come on Habs you know that logic and common sense gets thrown out the door when you can take up an idiotic cause of hate!

In their world of majority rules, you're either with them or against them and there is no room for anyone different. Why do you think they take up such Christianlike causes as rallying against Mexicans, Jews, women, blacks, gays, muslims, etc!!!
 
Old Jan 23, 2011 | 05:38 PM
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Come on Habs you know that logic and common sense gets thrown out the door when you can take up an idiotic cause of hate!

In their world of majority rules, you're either with them or against them and there is no room for anyone different. Why do you think they take up such Christianlike causes as rallying against Mexicans, Jews, women, blacks, gays, muslims, etc!!!
I find it really interesting that when someone disagrees with you on one topic, you start calling them haters and then apply their disagreement to every subject you can think of. Just because someone disagrees with another's lifestyle does not mean they hate them nor.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2011 | 05:55 PM
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I find it really interesting that when someone disagrees with you on one topic, you start calling them haters and then apply their disagreement to every subject you can think of. Just because someone disagrees with another's lifestyle does not mean they hate them nor.
No my point is that there is no difference between intolerance for gays than there is for racism or any other prejudice.

You don't have to live ones lifestyle to be tolerant of others.
 
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No my point is that there is no difference between intolerance for gays than there is for racism or any other prejudice.

You don't have to live ones lifestyle to be tolerant of others.
That is your opinion. I disagree. Neither do I hate people for their lifestyle which I might disagree with. There is a huge differanece in chosing a lifestyle and being born with a skin color or race. That is all I am going to say on this subject. You and your liberal bothers are entitled to your opinion just as I am. Just quit calling those that disagree with you haters.
 
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