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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 04:48 PM
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I remember splurging out .21 cent's for a gallon of premium!!
I believe you mean "ethyl".
 
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Habibi
I was watching some economist dude on the TV last night, he was explaining the whole 'supply and demand' thing and how China this year alone has increased demand by 8% and next year they plan to add x million new vehicles to their roads, so things will only get worse.
Supply and demand doesn't drive gasoline prices (or crude prices for that matter) . . .

At the root it is because it's traded as a commodity.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dsq3973
Thats about right.

$3.09/3.5=.882$
Try this:

3.09 x .035 = 0.10815
 
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kobiashi
Supply and demand doesn't drive gasoline prices
So shortages don't spike prices up?
 
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 11:36 PM
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The cheapest I saw today was $2.89 but the station I get gas at is still $3.09.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2010 | 01:28 AM
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I paid $3.25 for diesel this evening.

Regular was around $2.99

When you get closer to DC the prices sky rocket. The station across from my work was around 3.45 for diesel. Same thing around the airports
 
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Old Dec 12, 2010 | 02:54 AM
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The thing is that there really isn't a shortage.

The flow of oil is controlled and those in charge of the flow can manipulate the market. Also traders can manipulate the costs as well.

Personally I think commodities traders are the ones that drive these spikes more than anything. If anyone thinks Wall St. learned its lesson before you're kidding yourself.

If you refer to the documentary on Enron, many of the same principles apply to oil like they did with electricity in California.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2010 | 06:54 AM
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With big oil making huge record profits every quarter it should be clear why gas is so high. Oil IMHO should be regulated better. The fact is it's not a commodity it is a necessity, without it the country would come to a halt. When the country is hurting the way it is if big oil would put greed aside they could really help out but dont hold your breath.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2010 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
The thing is that there really isn't a shortage.

The flow of oil is controlled and those in charge of the flow can manipulate the market. Also traders can manipulate the costs as well.

Personally I think commodities traders are the ones that drive these spikes more than anything. If anyone thinks Wall St. learned its lesson before you're kidding yourself.

If you refer to the documentary on Enron, many of the same principles apply to oil like they did with electricity in California.
I think this is about the 4th or 5th time on these forums you have said something about the Enron documentary.

You need
 
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Old Dec 12, 2010 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Ford4me2
With big oil making huge record profits every quarter it should be clear why gas is so high. Oil IMHO should be regulated better. The fact is it's not a commodity it is a necessity, without it the country would come to a halt. When the country is hurting the way it is if big oil would put greed aside they could really help out but dont hold your breath.
So you are ok with oil companies making approx. 3-4% profit margin when the government makes approx. 15% profit margin on a gallon of gas?

Who is really the 'greedy' one?

I'm glad the oil companies make money. They need it for new exploration, technology, and new alternatives.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2010 | 01:07 PM
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FX4...One has to mention Enron because quite honestly it is a model example of what is wrong with corporate America today.

Also oil companies aren't sinking those windfall profits into exploration, they turn it into stockholder profits.

If the oil companies had their way, they would merge together into one and create an oil monopoly. Then we would pay $25 a gallon for gas if they wanted it.

I don't think that socializing oil or capping prices is the solution. I believe in free markets. That said, we need to develop better technologies as while there isn't an immediate supply problem, we will eventually run out of oil and need alternatives.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2010 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
FX4...One has to mention Enron because quite honestly it is a model example of what is wrong with corporate America today.

Also oil companies aren't sinking those windfall profits into exploration, they turn it into stockholder profits.

If the oil companies had their way, they would merge together into one and create an oil monopoly. Then we would pay $25 a gallon for gas if they wanted it.

I don't think that socializing oil or capping prices is the solution. I believe in free markets. That said, we need to develop better technologies as while there isn't an immediate supply problem, we will eventually run out of oil and need alternatives.
Nothing wrong with stockholders getting a lot of the earnings.... since they do own it. Monopolies are non-existent in a true free market system.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2010 | 05:03 PM
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Paid $3.29 this morning for premium to fill the sled, I hate to say it but $4 a gallon for gas is right around the corner again...
 
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Old Dec 12, 2010 | 05:36 PM
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It's like $2.71 here. Over $3 at the shell, but it isn't branded gas, comes from the same refinery as everyone else local (except Citgo), so it's kind of a rip. I get no ethanol gas for $2.76.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2010 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Super FX4
Nothing wrong with stockholders getting a lot of the earnings.... since they do own it. Monopolies are non-existent in a true free market system.

How do you figure that monopolies are impossible in a true free market?

If I own all of the oil refineries in the US and buy up any competition without any government regulation (no more anti-trust rules), how is that not a monopoly and in a true free market, there is nothing to stop it from happening.

Prescription drug companies do it all the time. They pay off generic manufacturers not to distribute generic forms of drugs that they have lost exclusive control over. It is a win-win in their eyes. The generic manufacturers are getting paid to do nothing. The name brand drug makers are able to sell their profitable drug at name brand prices for a longer period of time. The only loser is the consumer that has to pay higher prices.
 
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