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Old Sep 29, 2010 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Super FX4
I was watching Stossel about 3 nights ago. He had a bunch of union public teachers debating a couple private school teachers. They all concluded that on average, a private school student costs $10,000 a year. A public school student costs on average $18,000.

There needs to be a big push for privatizing schools across America.
Our local school system is among the top 5 in the state academically, and the bottom 5 in per pupil spending, about 8,000 dollars per student per year. Yet we still hear the same mantra that NJ and other states are hearing. Charters in our area are actually scoring lower than our average, and spending more per pupil, yet receive all the kudos for a job well done.
Charters have their place, but until they are forced to accept EVERY child that applies, they are still comparing apples to oranges. I believe labeling them "public" schools and sharing dollar allotments equally is simply funding a poor man's private school.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2010 | 09:04 PM
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The school district in which I teach spends $10000 per student, which is actually quite low for our area. We have been rated "Excellent With Distinction" for the past several years (from the ODE Report Card)---and , Oh yeah, we do can incompetent teachers, too.

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Old Sep 29, 2010 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
The initiative sounds interesting and like a pretty good idea.

There are great teachers out there and bad ones and weeding out the bad ones is a good thing.

The issues of cost per student stems from the problem students and their parents.

Most private schools have involved parents and students that want to be there (or parents that make them want to be there).

Most public schools are having to invest in metal detectors and armed security guards because of out of control gang problems. They have students coming to school without the basic needs to be successful because of poor parenting as well. Then the schools are blamed for idiots that attend.

Private schools can turn away problem kids where the public schools have to accept them until they kill someone.

Public schools in many areas are not all that much different than prisons because of the majority of the clientele they deal with.

The few diamonds in the rough they turn out pale in comparison to the groups of thugs that disrupt things.

I will admit I am torn on the voucher system. I hate seeing those that want to get an education hindered by those that don't. At the same rate I see many communities that have excellent public school systems too.

The bottom line is that parents need to raise their kids right and do their job instead expecting others to do it for them.
okay, maybe CPS, but that is the problem with the location of facilities, and the lack of teachers that want to teach in innercity schools. Even with huge incentives, most CPS and other innercity teachers don't last and move on to different opportunities.

I will disagree with this. If a child is trouble, they can be expelled from public school. What happens? They end up at a detention school, or drop out. There is no law against expelling a student from a public school.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank S
Yes, you're reading it wrong. I don't think anyone would disagree that there are many teachers that need to find another line of work.
The real problem is that many of the quality teachers did go find another line of work. I dont know about other areas of the country like NJ but down here no one is getting rich on a teachers salary. In fact if the teachers salary was the only family income the kids would qualify for free lunch!

Most of the school systems are concerned about qulaifying for federal money. They set up the system to teach for the test that shows the feds what they want to see and will get them the federal $$$$$. Accountability needs to be from the top down.

Just like everything else when the government gets involved they only make things worse.
 
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