Tea Party movement
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I encourage the Tea Baggies to go at it!!! With some luck, the strife in the GOP will bring it down and make people wake up.
I hear..."I want less government, less regulation!"
What do you want less regulated? Your food supply? Deregulation has led to salmonella outbreaks in eggs. The oil companies? The price of gasoline has tripled in 10 years. The environment is getting beat up. Wall St? Their crookedness led us to the great recession.
Uncontrolled regulation just to make government bigger is stupid. Unfortunately we have to have it to check those that try to cheat the system. Regulation that is done intelligently and effectively is smart. We need to find that again.
I hear the free market will fix all...ok then lets get rid of the police and courts. Let people handle everything. Guess what? You would have crime skyrocketing, people murdered in the streets at a rate that makes today's gang stuff look like nothing and we would all suffer.
Regulations were put in place because some occurrence happened that uncovered a need. Are they sometimes knee jerk and over done? Yes but it can get out of hand.
I hear they want to cut government but where? Powers to the states? Many of the states governments are useless (Illinois). We have had our last two governors convicted of felonies (1 Dem 1 Rep). I don't think so.
Our spending needs reigned in, no question about it. However, it needs to be done rationally. Cutting Medicare and Social Security is idiotic. People need those safety nets. What would have happened to the value of the SS trust fund if it had been privatized under Bush before the recession hit and the market crashed? It would be like most people's 401k plans in the toilet.
Let's bring in some spending on defense. We spend more than the next 9 countries combined in defense spending. Much on things the military doesn't even want. Can we say pork barrel??
Let's cut the tax incentives out there to send our jobs overseas?
Let's cut the tax loopholes for big oil? They are the most profitable companies out there. Anyone think Exxon-Mobil or Conoco Phillips are hurting?
Employers know they have to spend money to make it. They aren't going to forgo profits to save taxes. That is stupid. They want to be efficient so no they won't just hire people to sit on their butts.
As far as having more parties in the mix. Sure...it would be a good thing. Right now we have too many people only there to vote their party instead of their constituents best interest.
I hear..."I want less government, less regulation!"
What do you want less regulated? Your food supply? Deregulation has led to salmonella outbreaks in eggs. The oil companies? The price of gasoline has tripled in 10 years. The environment is getting beat up. Wall St? Their crookedness led us to the great recession.
Uncontrolled regulation just to make government bigger is stupid. Unfortunately we have to have it to check those that try to cheat the system. Regulation that is done intelligently and effectively is smart. We need to find that again.
I hear the free market will fix all...ok then lets get rid of the police and courts. Let people handle everything. Guess what? You would have crime skyrocketing, people murdered in the streets at a rate that makes today's gang stuff look like nothing and we would all suffer.
Regulations were put in place because some occurrence happened that uncovered a need. Are they sometimes knee jerk and over done? Yes but it can get out of hand.
I hear they want to cut government but where? Powers to the states? Many of the states governments are useless (Illinois). We have had our last two governors convicted of felonies (1 Dem 1 Rep). I don't think so.
Our spending needs reigned in, no question about it. However, it needs to be done rationally. Cutting Medicare and Social Security is idiotic. People need those safety nets. What would have happened to the value of the SS trust fund if it had been privatized under Bush before the recession hit and the market crashed? It would be like most people's 401k plans in the toilet.
Let's bring in some spending on defense. We spend more than the next 9 countries combined in defense spending. Much on things the military doesn't even want. Can we say pork barrel??
Let's cut the tax incentives out there to send our jobs overseas?
Let's cut the tax loopholes for big oil? They are the most profitable companies out there. Anyone think Exxon-Mobil or Conoco Phillips are hurting?
Employers know they have to spend money to make it. They aren't going to forgo profits to save taxes. That is stupid. They want to be efficient so no they won't just hire people to sit on their butts.
As far as having more parties in the mix. Sure...it would be a good thing. Right now we have too many people only there to vote their party instead of their constituents best interest.
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From: Clarence, NY
If anyone reads that Yahoo! news GARBAGE, you're nuts. The Tea Party movement is made up of Republicans, Democrats, and Independants. It is a very big movement that is going to steamroll in the elections in November. Look at the Republican primary race for governor in NY. Carl Paladino, a developer from Buffalo, totally destroyed his challenger, Rick Lazio in the primary. The funny thing is, the word going around is that there were numerous DEMOCRATS wanting to vote in the Republican primary for Paladino, but obviously could not, because they were dems. SO, I think November is going to be VERY exciting! Time to get this country back on track!
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Just because someone doesn't agree with your position doesn't make them stupid. The marketplace of ideas is what our governmental system was built on.
If everyone believed the way the Teabaggies did, we would still live like the old west and have people being shot in the streets to settle arguments.
The Teabaggies have no ideas. Just the idea...lets cut government, but where is all I ask. Have some ideas! Realizing something is broken is easy, fixing it is more difficult.
If everyone believed the way the Teabaggies did, we would still live like the old west and have people being shot in the streets to settle arguments.
The Teabaggies have no ideas. Just the idea...lets cut government, but where is all I ask. Have some ideas! Realizing something is broken is easy, fixing it is more difficult.
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Quit being stupid.
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Just because someone doesn't agree with your position doesn't make them stupid. The marketplace of ideas is what our governmental system was built on.
If everyone believed the way the Teabaggies did, we would still live like the old west and have people being shot in the streets to settle arguments.
The Teabaggies have no ideas. Just the idea...lets cut government, but where is all I ask. Have some ideas! Realizing something is broken is easy, fixing it is more difficult.
If everyone believed the way the Teabaggies did, we would still live like the old west and have people being shot in the streets to settle arguments.
The Teabaggies have no ideas. Just the idea...lets cut government, but where is all I ask. Have some ideas! Realizing something is broken is easy, fixing it is more difficult.
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Here's an idea, start with some old document called the Constitution. Any agency or function of the federal government not specifically mentioned in that document is on the chopping block. Any function that is not a direct relation to a function in that document is at the top of the list for chopping. So things like federal health and human services, department of education, department of energy, department of agriculture are on the chopping block. It is fine to grow the government when we can afford it to a point. That point has come and gone and the government is way to large now. We can't afford the government during the best of times and these are far from good times. We either cut the government or we go bankrupt, which do you want?
We have tons of waste in our government. No question and yes much of the pork can be cut. That being said, the reason these regulators came about to begin with is because a need was there and more than likely still is there today.
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So when we cut everything and have bad air, dangerous food, bad water, and even worse schools...we can turn out another generation of voters that are greedy and only worry about having their taxes cut.
We have tons of waste in our government. No question and yes much of the pork can be cut. That being said, the reason these regulators came about to begin with is because a need was there and more than likely still is there today.
We have tons of waste in our government. No question and yes much of the pork can be cut. That being said, the reason these regulators came about to begin with is because a need was there and more than likely still is there today.
I once asked a friend why our generation is called generation X. Their answer was, "because everything has been done and we have nothing else to complete. We are essentially a lost generation". I disagreed then and I still disagree. We need to fix what was broken by previous generations.
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I agree that spending has to be curtailed. We spend a LOT more than we take in and of course disaster is soon to follow.
We actually had budget surpluses going when Clinton was in office and then Bush pushed through a huge tax cut and that was all gone.
Just cutting taxes doesn't fix things or we wouldn't have been in the shape we were during and ending with Bush's time in office.
It has to be responsible, you can't just close government. The problem with the states doing things is they are in just as bad of shape.
We actually had budget surpluses going when Clinton was in office and then Bush pushed through a huge tax cut and that was all gone.
Just cutting taxes doesn't fix things or we wouldn't have been in the shape we were during and ending with Bush's time in office.
It has to be responsible, you can't just close government. The problem with the states doing things is they are in just as bad of shape.
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I agree that spending has to be curtailed. We spend a LOT more than we take in and of course disaster is soon to follow.
We actually had budget surpluses going when Clinton was in office and then Bush pushed through a huge tax cut and that was all gone.
Just cutting taxes doesn't fix things or we wouldn't have been in the shape we were during and ending with Bush's time in office.
It has to be responsible, you can't just close government. The problem with the states doing things is they are in just as bad of shape.
We actually had budget surpluses going when Clinton was in office and then Bush pushed through a huge tax cut and that was all gone.
Just cutting taxes doesn't fix things or we wouldn't have been in the shape we were during and ending with Bush's time in office.
It has to be responsible, you can't just close government. The problem with the states doing things is they are in just as bad of shape.
The President is only one man....vice the Legislative Branch is the People's choice to represent them. It's been nearly four years of a Democratic controled Congress......what a mess. Plus it doesn't help with the Idiot-In-Chief.
Last edited by screwyou; Sep 18, 2010 at 06:18 PM.