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Old Sep 7, 2010 | 11:39 PM
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Fixed it for you
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Old Sep 7, 2010 | 11:49 PM
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I thought, by now, everyone knew that every single damned on of these news companies had an agenda. It's no different up here then it is down there.
 
Old Sep 8, 2010 | 11:26 AM
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If you honestly think that a news network that alters photos to make members of opposing ideologies look evil and sinister is less biased than CNN, then you really have no room to talk.
 
Old Sep 8, 2010 | 11:56 AM
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If you honestly think that a news network that alters photos to make members of opposing ideologies look evil and sinister is less biased than CNN, then you really have no room to talk.
You mean this obvious attempt at political satire on an opinion program?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfD_oq7N5X4
 

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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 03:43 PM
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Proves my point that FNC will go to any lengths to try and make members of opposing ideologies look bad. You call it cute and funny, but I'm sure you would fight tooth and nail if MSNBC were to do that kind of photo alterations to Sarah Palin.

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The wiki article you posted states that CNN took a lenient stance towards the Bush administration after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. How lenient has Fox news been towards Obama? Hmmmm?
 

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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 03:52 PM
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Proves my point that FNC will go to any lengths to try and make members of opposing ideologies look bad. You call it cute and funny, but I'm sure you would fight tooth and nail if MSNBC were to do that kind of photo alterations to Sarah Palin.

You're right. They've been completely fair and honest in their portrayal of Sara Palin and the Teabaggers... errr... I mean... Tea Party.

The only people who care about those pictures, or even paid attention to them in the first place, were those close to the issue. It was a personal insult, not a conspiracy of the highest order, as you would have it portrayed. Inappropriate? Yeah, I guess. But that's about it.

How about using a forged document to undermine the credibility of the President of the USA? Dan Rather got jammed up for it, but if you think the buck really should have stopped there, you're more brainwashed than I think.
 
Old Sep 8, 2010 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 4.6 Punisher

EDIT:

The wiki article you posted states that CNN took a lenient stance towards the Bush administration after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. How lenient has Fox news been towards Obama? Hmmmm?
Unlike yourself, I actually listen to Fox a lot. They are plenty fair with Obama. The problem Fox has with people like yourself, is that they aren't lockstep with the other news orgs. in kissing liberal butt 24/7.

Here a clip of Kilmeade trying to defend an Obama comment on the same show where they took a shot at a couple of douches who were taking shots at them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSiJ-pvbKLE
 
Old Sep 8, 2010 | 04:18 PM
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I like how you say that I'm brainwashed, but then you say that actually listen to Fox news.

I'll have to admit, I don't watch CNN or FOX or any national news outlets because of the inherited bias that always manages to slip into reportings. I'm still going to leave this here for you to go through, or completely disregard it because everyone knows that Wikipedia is evil liberal poison.

In a 2006 academic content analysis of election news, Rasmussen Reports showed that coverage at ABC, CBS, and NBC was more favorable toward Kerry than Bush, while coverage at Fox News Channel were more favorable toward Bush.[41]

The Project on Excellence in Journalism report in 2006[39] showed that 68 percent of Fox cable stories contained personal opinions, as compared to MSNBC at 27 percent and CNN at 4 percent. The "content analysis" portion of their 2005 report also concluded that "Fox was measurably more one-sided than the other networks, and Fox journalists were more opinionated on the air."[42]

A 2007 Pew Research Center poll of viewer political knowledge indicated that Fox News Channel viewers scored 35% in the high-knowledge area, the same as the national average. This was not significantly different than local news, network news and morning news, and was slightly lower than CNN (41%). Viewers of The O'Reilly Factor (51%) scored in the high category along with Rush Limbaugh (50%), NPR (51%), major newspapers (54%), Newshour with Jim Lehrer (53%) The Daily Show (54%) and The Colbert Report (54%).[43]

Research has shown that there is a correlation between the presence of the Fox News Channel in cable markets and increases in Republican votes in those markets.[44]

The documentary Outfoxed claims that Fox reporters and anchors use the traditional journalistic phrase "some people say" in a very clever way; instead of citing an anonymous source in order to advance a storyline, Fox personalities allegedly use the phrase to inject conservative opinion and commentary into reports. In the film, Media Matters for America president David Brock noted that some shows, like Fox's evening news program, Special Report with Brit Hume, tend to exhibit editorializing attitudes and behavior when on the air.

A study by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA),[45] in the Winter 03-04 issue of Political Science Quarterly, reported that viewers of Fox News, the Fox Broadcasting Company, and local Fox affiliates were more likely than viewers of other news networks to hold three misperceptions:[46]

* 67% of Fox viewers believed that the "U.S. has found clear evidence in Iraq that Saddam Hussein was working closely with the al Qaeda terrorist organization" (Compared with 56% for CBS, 49% for NBC, 48% for CNN, 45% for ABC, 16% for NPR/PBS).

* The belief that "The U.S. has found Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq" was held by 33% of Fox viewers and only 23% of CBS viewers, 19% for ABC, 20% for NBC, 20% for CNN and 11% for NPR/PBS

* 35% of Fox viewers believed that "the majority of people [in the world] favor the U.S. having gone to war" with Iraq. (Compared with 28% for CBS, 27% for ABC, 24% for CNN, 20% for NBC, 5% for NPR/PBS)

In response, Fox News contributor Ann Coulter characterized the PIPA findings as "misperceptions of pointless liberal factoids" and called it a "hoax poll."[47] Bill O'Reilly called the study "absolute crap."[48] Roger Ailes referred to the study as "an old push poll."[49] James Taranto, editor of OpinionJournal.com, the Wall Street Journal's online editorial page, called the poll "pure propaganda."[50] PIPA issued a clarification on October 17, 2003, stating that "The findings were not meant to and cannot be used as a basis for making broad judgments about the general accuracy of the reporting of various networks or the general accuracy of the beliefs of those who get their news from those networks. Only a substantially more comprehensive study could undertake such broad research questions," and that the results of the poll show correlation, but do not prove causation.[51][52]

A study published in November 2005 by Tim Groseclose, a professor of political science at UCLA, comparing political bias from such news outlets as the New York Times, USA Today, the Drudge Report, the Los Angeles Times, and Fox News’ Special Report, concluded "all of the news outlets we examine, except Fox News’ Special Report and the Washington Times, received scores to the left of the average member of Congress." In particular, Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume had an Americans for Democratic Action rating that was right of the political center. Groseclose used the number of times a host cited a particular think tank on his or her program and compared it with the number of times a member of the U.S. Congress cited a think tank, correlating that with the politician's Americans for Democratic Action rating.[53][54]

Geoff Nunberg, a professor of linguistics at UC Berkeley and a National Public Radio commentator, criticized the methodology of the study and labeled its conclusions invalid.[55] He pointed to what he saw as a Groseclose's reliance on interpretations of facts and data that were taken from sources that were not, in his view, credible. Groseclose and Professor Jeff Milyo rebutted, saying Nunberg "shows a gross misunderstanding [of] our statistical method and the actual assumptions upon which it relies."[56] Mark Liberman (a professor of Computer Science and the Director of Linguistic Data Consortium at the University of Pennsylvania), who helped post Groseclose and Milyo's rebuttal, later posted how the statistical methods used to calculate this bias pose faults.[57][58] Mark concluded "that many if not most of the complaints directed against G&M are motivated in part by ideological disagreement — just as much of the praise for their work is motivated by ideological agreement. It would be nice if there were a less politically fraught body of data on which such modeling exercises could be explored."[57]

A December 2007 study/examination by Robert Lichter of the nonpartisan media watchdog group, the Center for Media and Public Affairs found that Fox News's evaluations of all of the 2008 Democratic presidential candidates combined was 51% positive and 49% negative, while the network's evaluations of the Republican presidential candidates 51% negative and 49% positive. The study, however, did find that Fox's coverage was less negative toward Republican candidates than the coverage of broadcast networks.[59] In addition, FAIR has noted that Lichter himself is a Fox News contributor. Also, on the January 10, 2008, edition of The O'Reilly Factor, Lichter stated that he only examined the first half of the Special Report with Brit Hume.[citation needed]

The “2010 State of the News Media” Report by the Pew Center on Excellence in Journalism found that in 2009, Fox News Channel had average daytime audience of 1.2 million and nighttime viewership of 2.13 million, higher than its cable competitors. For 2009, CNN continued to lead Fox online, as CNN.com had more than 20.7 million unique visitors daily, compared to 12.7 million unique visitors daily at Fox.com. The report added that Fox spends $674 million on its news programs in 2009, and that 72 percent of this amount was for “producing its host-driven programs including multimillion-dollar salaries.” The remaining 28 percent ($188 million) went to administrative and overhead costs, including news staffing and bureaus. That figure is less than half of what is spent by CNN and HLN on its administrative and overhead costs.[60] [61]
Maybe you should try out conservapedia.com
 

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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 04:24 PM
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I know it's picking nits, but Foxnews and CNN are cable news networks, not national news networks.
 
Old Sep 8, 2010 | 04:27 PM
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"www.newbusters.org"

Exposing liberal bias everyday!
 
Old Sep 8, 2010 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by harleydude78
"www.newbusters.org"

Exposing liberal bias everyday!
http://newsbuster.com/

Exposing ALL political bias everyday.
 
Old Sep 8, 2010 | 05:01 PM
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All of these "news" outlets have their biases. Do you think that Glenn Beck and Rush give us unbiased views?

When it comes to freedom of speech, we have broad rights and often you find yourself supporting one's right to say something you disagree with.

At the same rate one cannot yell fire in a theater.

The guy in Alaska's downfall was he was on private property and property owners can refuse entry or ask disruptive people to leave.

Pushing free speech further...the pastor in FL wanting to burn Korans is an idiot and will likely cause great backlash against those abroad and incites hate. Nonetheless at the end of the day he can and should be allowed to do it. Its his right. They are his books and his loss.
 
Old Sep 8, 2010 | 05:41 PM
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I like how you say that I'm brainwashed, but then you say that actually listen to Fox news.

I'll have to admit, I don't watch CNN or FOX or any national news outlets because of the inherited bias that always manages to slip into reportings. I'm still going to leave this here for you to go through, or completely disregard it because everyone knows that Wikipedia is evil liberal poison.



Maybe you should try out conservapedia.com

I listen to NPR, as well. And the BBC. As far as Fox being more favorable toward Bush than Kerry, is there any possibility that it was because he was the better candidate?

Left and Right aren't just directions. One means correct, and the other means awkward when translated to either German or French. Contrary to Leftist propaganda, Hitler was a leftist. So were Mao, Stalin, and Lenin.


Here's a little "biased column" for you to read that, of course, you will not agree with. But, if it doesn't make you think, then there's definitely something wrong in your head.

http://www.enterstageright.com/archi...8/0608evil.htm

I'm not sure I agree wholeheartedly with the above link, but there is a lot there with which I do.

The fact is, if you start out with a preconceived notion about something, you only accept the information that supports what you already think. As a young man, I tended to be more liberal. (As thinking with your heart will tend to reflect.) But right and wrong have nothing to do with nice and not nice. I became more conservative as I saw this truth of life played out over and over again. It's great when you can be tolerant without being the enabler of poor policy. It just doesn't happen that often in practice.
 
Old Sep 8, 2010 | 07:59 PM
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I read most of that article and it just oozes with fallacies and warped data/opinion. "all the evil is on the Left" doesn't sound biased at all. That actually sounds quite fair and balanced.

Firstly, Republicans have not always been conservative, and Democrats have not always been liberal in many of the same ways we consider them today. It was actually quite the opposite before the civil rights movement. Conservatives were opposed to desegregation while liberals/progressives were for it. (I'm not talking about economic policies, so don't try and use that)

I think it was the election between JFK and Barry Goldwater that we saw what the Republican party had finally become. Good old Goldwater knew that he wasn't going to get elected, so he took the side of continuing segregation and was against the entire civil rights movement. Conservatives loved it and voted for him. I'm pretty sure you can figure out which side voted for him.

Conservatives have always been conservatives, and liberals have always been liberals. The only thing that has changed is a flip flop of sides. Progressives still want to make progress, and conservatives still want to sit there and do nothing.

I love how cons/Reps like to compare Dems/libs to communists/fascists/everything evilists. You can't make that comparison because American liberalism is still not even on the same level and European liberalism. "You raised our taxes! He's a dirty commy!" I guess most people that are staunch conservatives were born and raised during the Cold War, where anything that involved social services, or the government taking any of your money was considered communist/socialist, and you still hold on to those 1980's fears.

Secondly, what the **** does this have to do with Fox news being a screwed up overly biased network, or that old nut that got thrown off of private property?
 
Old Sep 8, 2010 | 08:14 PM
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