No fooling!!! I lived there for 2 1/2 years and it is one of the most corrupt cities in the entire U.S. Obama fit in like a glove. Those people would sell their own mother for a few coins. They aren't ALL like that, but way to high a percentage are!

 

sigh....

 

For the REPUBLIC in which it stands........ We don't live in a democracy.

But, I agree with the rest of your statement.

 

Then why was Bush trying to export democracy to Iraq? LOL!

If you want to get technical, the U.S. is a democratic republic, always has been. But the repubs always want it to be more of a republic and the dems want it to be more of a democracy, LOL!

 

Yes i kno. We were meant to be a republic, but we're headed towards something else i believe now. The defiinitions seem so similiar... It doesn't rly matter what word i use, everyone should get where i'm coming from and what i believe. I graduated 3 years ago, i can't even hardly remember the pledge of allegience now, thats bad! lol

 

do more research.

First, re your example of your parent's certificate - the point is that there is one, and a doctor (whoever delivered) did sign it, and it can be seen- the original, not an "updated" version. O's not claiming it was lost in a fire, he just ain't showing it.

Second, regarding his mother's birth... that's not what the law says in her case. her citizenship does NOT make him a citizen. sb for more.

 

You Obama-haters need to wake up and do something productive.

Obama DID release a copy of his valid birth certificate from Hawaii. He did it on June 13, 2008. What more do you want? That makes him a natural born American citizen. End of story. But here's the slam dunk. Both newspapers in Honolulu announced his birth in the Announcements and newspaper officials confirmed the notices in that section come from the State Department of Health, they are not submitted by the mother or father. Now, if he was born in Kenya, how, pray tell, is he going to *retroactively* get his birth announcement placed in both Honolulu newspapers on the appropriate day? Just because he is black doesn't mean he must have been born in Kenya.

You Obama haters need to take off your tin foil hats and do something productive. You all look real silly running around with your wild claims and not a *shred* of evidence to back them up.

 

This the ONLY thing that I have EVER seen you write/type/put down that I even semi agree with. Except for the fact that dems like to force bills down our throats without public consent or by using some shady voting technique. I am not going to even bother with repubs because there are a fair share of stupid ones too.

There are two principles that any definition of democracy includes: equality and freedom. These principles are reflected in all citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to power. The freedom of its citizens is secured by legitimized rights and liberties which are generally protected by a constitution. The problem with all of that is that this "democracy" usually has our elected representatives doing whatever they want in office.. even if that means fighting to find some mysterious loopholes in said constitution. End result is a bunch of people sitting in a general discussion forum on some f150 website trying to convince each other of who is right on the internet

 

We were originally a republic. A government that was limited.

Now we have moved to a democracy because the government has gone around the constitution(which was the document that limits the government) on several occasions. Government has been growing stronger slowly through the 1900's and this current decade. So we have a hybrid of the 2.

I would enjoy going back to a strict republic.

 

Actually if you read the INA for the age of his mother and the year Obama was born he was a citizen at birth because of his mother's citizenship. No where is the term "natural born citizen" defined. There are only three categories of citizenship and two are really subsets. A person can be a citizen at birth or a naturalized citizen. To be a citizen at birth citizenship can be conveyed in one of two manners, citizen by place or by blood. A better description of the two is the former being born in the US and the latter being born in a foreign country to US citizen parents. I think (but I am not a Constitutional lawyer or Justice) if the matter was to go before a court it would rule that "natural born citizen" would be better described as a citizen at birth no matter how it was conveyed.

Whether Obama's mama was married is a point of contention. I do not believe her marriage to Obama's father was legal in the US, because Obama's daddy was already married to another woman, but I will include each standard for your examination. I use the charts developed from the INA as they are an easy reference (and have been validated by the courts), but the requirements are: Out of Wedlock to a US citizen mother. In order for citizenship to covey after 12/24/1952 (Obama was born in 61) the mother had to have one year of continuous physical presence in the US or an outlaying possession at anytime prior to the child's birth. Since Obama's mama was raised in the US she meets this requirement and can convey citizenship based on her citizenship.

If you are of the belief Obama's mama was married then the standard is: The US citizen resided in the US or outlaying possessions for 10 years at least five of which were after the age of 16. Wiki (I hate my resources but it is what I have) does not mention Obama's mama leaving the country until after 1966. That would make her 24 years old. That more than qualifies her to convey US citizenship status to her son.

Since Obama was born when his mama was only 18 that does raise an interesting question. Is it possible that Obama's mama and daddy visited Africa in August 1961? I highly doubt they would go on a vacation a few weeks or days before the start of school. It is possible that Sr and Obama's mama would go to Africa in 1961, since that is the year they were married. If the trip was made it would seem more logical to take the trip after school ended in the spring. I have serious doubts about that trip also since Sr was married, but told Obama's mama that he was divorced, I don't think he would risk going to Africa and have his new wife running into his old wife, or having his family spilling the beans that he was still married. The village Sr lived in has a current population of just over 3K. That is small and most likely everyone knows everyone's business. Since it was not a big deal in Kenya to have multiple wives, it would most likely slip to Obama's mama that Sr was married.

A few months after Obama was born his mama moved to Washington and enrolled for the spring semester classes at the college. This brings up another interesting issue. Why did Obama's mama and daddy separate? Could they have gone on vacation in Kenya and Obama's mama found out her husband was married? It is possible. Then the question becomes would two people, who obviously value education, risk delaying or interrupting that education by taking a vacation so near the beginning of the semester and due date for a birth? I doubt they would. It doesn't make sense, even for stupid college student, and neither Obama's mama nor his daddy appear to be stupid. When it is also considered that Sr had been accepted, or at least had desires, to go to Harvard for his graduate studies, it makes even less sense that they would go on vacation so close to the two big events.

 

You're incorrect. We are a "Representative Republic" and always have been.

You Obama "Felatiors" need to wake up and see he's a marxist socialist and he's leading the country to a socialist nation. HELLOOO!!!! When the likes of Fidel Castro praises Obama for enacting a socialist health care program, you ought to see things are wrong.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

Norman Mattoone Thomas, 1944

"We cannot expect America to jump to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have communism."

Soviet Leader Nikita Krushchev, 1959

 

"Hello, Pot? This is the kettle, your black."

 

lol

 

He was elected, it's over. Crazy Birthers are wasting their time.

Take solace in the fact that the U.S. will not be invading Kenya for at least the next seven years.