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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 11:35 AM
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Computer Nerds: Hackint0sh Dual Boot

Anyone done this? I just recently built and I7 machine for windows 7 64 and I'm just not happy with any of the options I have for video editing...

Instead of paying the retarded price for a mac, I'm looking to convert to a Hackint0sh. I've been doing some reading and watching some you tube videos on it and it seems way to easy.

Seems to me you basically buy the $29 Snow Leopard "upgrade" disk. Use Empire EFI(free download) and it pretty much does all the work.

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EVGA Classified SLI x58
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 03:45 PM
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i've done it before. i downloaded a torrent of it though. didnt buy anything

i just did this on my toshiba laptop. i had some issues with the boot up and OS selection part but i just threw it all together. luckily i had a computer to play with before i tried it on my actual computer because i messed up the windows partition some how :o .. it seems like you're doing it more professionally so i doubt you'll have any problems

this forum helped me for some things http://www.insanelymac.com/
 
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 10:41 PM
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Yeah, I've been doing it since it first was do-able. Don't have it set up right now though...miss mac though. I used to multi-boot with XP, SUSE Linux, Fedora, Ubuntu, and Hackintosh...got to be to much of a hassle though, i did it when i was in middle/high school and had a lot of free time.

But like alex, i did it all for free...I've been out of the loop with it for a while though but if i did it again and you could do it more legit like your doing, I would definitely go that route, it wasn't an option at the time.
 
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Old Mar 24, 2010 | 10:44 PM
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It is very easy though. If you dual boot with windows and mac, you will probably need a separate hard drive for the mac install, at least that's how it was back when i did it, otherwise it would wipe the entire drive and all you would have is mac....maybe by now you can install to the same drive on a separate partition though?

If you need help with it i can start reading up on it again, i should really get it set up on my machine again anyway.

Edit: BTW, nice video editing rig
 
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 02:49 AM
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Just out of curiosity what are you looking to accomplish as far video editing? Because iMovie isn't really any better then anything on a PC, so if you were looking at getting Final Cut, great program btw, then you might as well get Adobe Premiere, since you have a better suite of program with Adobe. As far as video editing goes there are a ton of things for a PC and really only 1 for mac. I use both all the time for different things so if you have any questions about anything as far as video editing goes feel free to ask.

As far the Hackint0sh there are a few things you need to do.
One decide if you want to dedicate one hd for osx and one for windows or just partition one hd into 2 sections.
Two is to go here or insanelymac, to check for what drivers you will need for your configuration.
Three is to go and find the disc somewhere online, if your going to use it make sure you at least purchase a license even though the license will not be able to be installed, it at least gives the developers their dues.
Four is to burn the disc, make sure you burn at the lowest setting.
Five is to install the software.

If you have any other questions I'll gladly help. Good luck
 
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 12:54 PM
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Just out of curiosity what are you looking to accomplish as far video editing? Because iMovie isn't really any better then anything on a PC, so if you were looking at getting Final Cut, great program btw, then you might as well get Adobe Premiere, since you have a better suite of program with Adobe. As far as video editing goes there are a ton of things for a PC and really only 1 for mac. I use both all the time for different things so if you have any questions about anything as far as video editing goes feel free to ask.

As far the Hackint0sh there are a few things you need to do.
One decide if you want to dedicate one hd for osx and one for windows or just partition one hd into 2 sections.
Two is to go here or insanelymac, to check for what drivers you will need for your configuration.
Three is to go and find the disc somewhere online, if your going to use it make sure you at least purchase a license even though the license will not be able to be installed, it at least gives the developers their dues.
Four is to burn the disc, make sure you burn at the lowest setting.
Five is to install the software.

If you have any other questions I'll gladly help. Good luck
I'm all ears on video editing.. I'm completely new to it, and it's something I'm looking to maybe do as a side hobby/business. Later upgrading to a good HD professional camera.

I currently have a Cannon HF20 and Pixila ImageMixer 3se software. Well the software just plane right out sucks. It's impossible to edit video, even on my machine. The lag is horrible.

I was looking at final cut, as that seems to be "the" one most people prefer. Which is why I want to try it.

From what I read also, is the only way I'm going to get decent editing is by converting the AVCHD to another format, but then losing some quality as I do it. Where as the Final Cut converts a temp format and still allows to keep the quality?

I'm honestly lost, and the more I read, the more confused I get.

As far as my computer,

I plan on each of the 500gb hd's to have a OS on it. The other hard drives will be for storage(which I'm looking into making a storage server running raid). Everything I have read now about hackint0sh's is it's pretty easy now, as long as you can get kext to run your audio/network. You have to change some bios settings(Hard Drive configuration), use the empire EFI boot cd, then just start loading. Once OSX is installed, load Windows on the 2nd drive.
 

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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 01:52 PM
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Ok I don't know what you want to accomplish with video, like whether you want to be able to do everything a "pro" would do or what so I'll list out some of the different editing softwares.

Avid is the most commonly used in the actual film making business; however, it is the most expensive out of everything and you need specialized equipment to be able to do it. It does however give you best option as far as HD goes. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who hasn't done video editing for long time because of it is the most complex and just has way too much to be able to learn it from scratch.

Autodesk's Maya is mainly an animation program that is used for complete animation, probably not what you are looking to get into though. Just had to put it in here because it was one of the first programs I learned to use when I was getting into film.

Sony Vegas is a software I will commonly use on my home computer because it gives you all of the "professional" features without the "professional" price tag. It will allow to do basically anything you would want to do to a movie, it will do HD.

Pinnacle is a basic program. It is a lot cheaper then the rest of the group and is able to replicate most of the "pro" feature, same company who makes Avid, one of the main differences I remember about it from professional software is the amount of tracks you are able to create in Pinnacle. I don't know if this is still true, as I haven't used it Pinnacle 7 days. One thing most people like is the fact that Pinnacle has a lot of upgrades that can be purchased to add to the program, also the program has a lot of transitions, not great for actual movie work but fun to play around with.

Premiere Pro CS4 is one of the best well rounded programs on the market today. One of the main reasons for this is because of the way Adobe integrates the entire set of programs together. If you only plan on using it for video editing it is still a great program. Between Sony Vegas and this I am able to get the same result as I do using Avid. I mainly use this for export filmstrips to Photoshop so I can edit the individual frames.

Premiere Elements 8 is just a stripped down program of the pro version. I cannot speak of it directly as I have never used it but I know its "big brother" is one of the best programs on the market today.

After Effects is a great program for quick animation of text and stuff like that.

Boris FX is a great add-on to any software. It adds effects that no other program out there adds.

Overall, if I had to pick a cheap program I would pick Pinnacle because of its ability to have so much added to it.

Overall, if I had no budget really I would look into getting the Creative Suite Production pack from Adobe because it gives you the most options and allows you edit anything from animation to sounds. And if that weren't enough then I would add a couple of effects from Boris FXs.

If I were going to pick a program to start with and try out it would Pinnacle, so I could get the "pro" feel of having tracks while still having the option of going back down to the tile view, I don't remember what it is called. It will also give you great quality video while giving you plenty of tools to make editing a lot easier.

I know I probably didn't explain a lot about each piece of software; however, I tried to give you a general idea and then listed the links so you would be able to do the research on the individual program. There are probably other programs I forgot about but these are just ones that I have used and heard of for PC. If you have any questions about the software I mention, I can answer specifically to that one software. As far as the software you are using I have never heard of it and had to google it just to find out what it is. Keep in mind I have been doing video editing for ten years so things I may find common knowledge you may not so just ask any questions you may have because you want the best software to fit your needs if you are going into video editing as a hobby or business. Hopefully this gives you a better idea of what is out there for video editing.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 02:15 PM
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Wow awesome reply....

Pinnacle is one I have had my eye on... It's "cheap" so I can use it to learn the basic of video and see if it's something I really want to invest in. It says my computer meets the minimum requirements for editing 1080P also..

My main gripe/bitch is the lag I experience using the software that came with my cannon. Pinnacle would get rid of even half of that I would be a happy camper...

I have my computer safely OC'd to 3.6ghz and it stays plenty cool. The ram is right at 1600mhz, and at the time i was running Raid 0 on the hard drives(it got corrupt, which is why I was looking to try the dual boot method). The lag for editing and just shortening clips was horrible, much less anything else.

I have read Nvidia has a patch for $95 for Vegas that allows you to use cuda technology to offload some of the processing onto a video card(or two, or three).
 

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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 02:20 PM
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I would say Pinnacle will "play" a lot nicer with a 64 bit system since almost all video editing stuff is design to run on 64 bit. So it should get rid of all the lag you are experiencing.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 02:37 PM
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Cmon only 3.6 with the classy . Get that thing up to 4.0

Sorry im no help with the dual boot, I hate software.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 03:27 PM
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I've never used a mac, so i don't know anything about them... :o

But, found this top ten reviews of video editing software, i believe it will give some insight on the features of different brands of software, so pick up the one that suits you better:

http://video-editing-software-review.toptenreviews.com/

Hope this helps!

 
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Yogi.kudos
Cmon only 3.6 with the classy . Get that thing up to 4.0

Sorry im no help with the dual boot, I hate software.
I had it up to a 4.0, but running some software where it pegs the processor at 100% it would reboot the computer after 20-30 minutes...

At 3.6 I went a few days. Besides that most software doesn't wont even take advantage of the speed.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FATHERFORD
I had it up to a 4.0, but running some software where it pegs the processor at 100% it would reboot the computer after 20-30 minutes...

At 3.6 I went a few days. Besides that most software doesn't wont even take advantage of the speed.
You actually have it backwards. Most software will advantage of the speed but not the multiple cores. Also one more thing on that note, you won't notice a real difference between 3-4 GHZ because at that point it is no longer the cpu slowing down the system but the slowest part of your computer. Hence the reason it is so rare to see a clock speed of above 3.0. Most current video editing software does take advantage of the multiple core though; however, the it is only the higher end softwares that do. So most of what is on the top ten list will not take advantage of multiple cores even if they claim too.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by FATHERFORD
I had it up to a 4.0, but running some software where it pegs the processor at 100% it would reboot the computer after 20-30 minutes...

At 3.6 I went a few days. Besides that most software doesn't wont even take advantage of the speed.
Just means it wasn't stable. You test for stability by running Prime95 (run it at 100%) or LinX. I ran Prime95 for 24 hours on mine for my OC.

Also do you have Hyperthreading on? Idk if there's any benefits for editing, but there's benchmarks out there.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2010 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by lsracer
You actually have it backwards. Most software will advantage of the speed but not the multiple cores. Also one more thing on that note, you won't notice a real difference between 3-4 GHZ because at that point it is no longer the cpu slowing down the system but the slowest part of your computer. Hence the reason it is so rare to see a clock speed of above 3.0. Most current video editing software does take advantage of the multiple core though; however, the it is only the higher end softwares that do. So most of what is on the top ten list will not take advantage of multiple cores even if they claim too.
That's what I was trying to get at. Increasing the speed of the processor really won't help anything but benchmarks on testing software.

If I had some SSD's that would be another story.
 
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