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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 05:49 PM
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Im not fearful at all, Im outraged that our President would try to shove this legislation down our throats when the majority of Americans dont want it.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 06:28 PM
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No, get with the program. You said because a fetus responded to external stimuli and had electrical activity in the brain, it was alive and therefore the government should protect it.

My response is that the Constitution does not protect all life. Heck, even individual sperm are alive. Does that mean there should be a federal law against whacking off? But that was your argument, a fetus is a living thing therefore the government must protect it even if it entails the government having more say about what goes on inside your woman's womb than you do.
A fetus is a living human being. A rat is not but I guess you cannot see the difference. A cow is a living thing but they sure taste good. That was not Green's point however.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 06:51 PM
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A better economy....
 
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Green_98
Im not fearful at all, Im outraged that our President would try to shove this legislation down our throats when the majority of Americans dont want it.
I'm talking about your claim that the President was lying to us about abortion. What do you support that claim with?
 
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 07:58 PM
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A fetus is a living human being. A rat is not but I guess you cannot see the difference.
No, a fetus is alive but it's not a human being yet. It's a fetus. And there is a big difference both from a legal (Constitutional) standpoint and from a medical standpoint. Again, I am against abortion but do not believe the government needs have more say what goes on inside my woman's womb than I do. In fact I believe this power should remain primarily with the woman.

Here are some facts you may not know:

A fetus cannot feel pain until the third trimester. Abortions are typically performed in the 1st trimester or the beginning of the second tri-mester.

A fetus does not even stand a 50% chance of surviving (even in an incubator) until after the 2nd half of the second trimester.

It's my opinion that the federal government should not be tasked with regulating a woman's womb. Next thing you know women will be told there is a form they must fill out if they ever miss a period. That way the Feds can track potential pregnacies to help them determine if perhaps a crime has been commited.
 

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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 01:40 AM
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No, a fetus is alive but it's not a human being yet. It's a fetus.
A fetus IS a human being whether you believe it or not. It has never turned out to be anything else.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 09:30 AM
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Real here is a fact you may not know

'Pro-Choice' is just a nice way of saying 'I support the killing of unwanted babies.' You're hiding behind these code words to make it sound acceptable. If you claim that we're hiding behind our code words, thats great I'll hide behind being 'Pro Life.'

I'm so glad I won't have to one day answer for being liberal-minded. Im far from perfect, but at least when I answer to God, I will confidently say that I was a humble man who supported his gift of life and spread his word throughout my life. I seriously invite you to consider listening to what the fundamentals of Christianity are and how it will ultimately save you.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Norm
A fetus IS a human being whether you believe it or not. It has never turned out to be anything else.
I wish I had said that!

It seems to be basic biology, you know, cells dividing and all....so life begins at conception and it is divine.

The view from this side is that Pro Life simply means mandating how a person uses their their reproductive rights. This is just another infringement on personal liberty.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Green_98

I'm so glad I won't have to one day answer for being liberal-minded. Im far from perfect, but at least when I answer to God, I will confidently say that I was a humble man who supported his gift of life and spread his word throughout my life. I seriously invite you to consider listening to what the fundamentals of Christianity are and how it will ultimately save you.
So basically, God hates liberals, just as he hates queers, correct?
 
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 12:10 PM
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I'm so glad I won't have to one day answer for being liberal-minded. Im far from perfect, but at least when I answer to God, I will confidently say that I was a humble man who supported his gift of life and spread his word throughout my life.
Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder and madder. - Homer Simpson
 
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 01:38 PM
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Real here is a fact you may not know

'Pro-Choice' is just a nice way of saying 'I support the killing of unwanted babies.' You're hiding behind these code words to make it sound acceptable.
Except for the fact that I'm not hiding behind those words. I'll say it one more time, I believe abortion is wrong - I just don't want the government having a say about what goes on inside my woman's womb. Government needs to stay out of our personal lives. That would be the true definition of a nanny state.

I'm so glad I won't have to one day answer for being liberal-minded. Im far from perfect, but at least when I answer to God, I will confidently say that I was a humble man who supported his gift of life and spread his word throughout my life.
And I support life as well. But I believe in personal responsibility, not government forcing people to live to someone elses standards. It would be a huge step backwards for government to take away an individuals right to make very personal moral decisions.

By the way, Jesus was a liberal. And I am against abortion just as I believe Jesus would have been. But Jesus would not have supported Ceasar taking away an individuals right to make that important decision themselves.
 

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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 02:29 PM
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I've been reading some of these posts and they are terrific..

This is my stance on abortion...


The government has no right to tell a woman that should keep her child.. The reason why I say that:

God forbid a woman gets raped.. Would you want your child having to go through a pregnancy for a unwanted child? Would you want to take a chance that your own daughter could die in child birth bringing a rapist off spring into the world..

Sorry I don't agree with that.. Is abortion wrong I believe it is.. But it is the woman's choice and no one else's what she wants to do with her body and her child..

If we let the government dictate to us these kinds of laws, we might as well let them pass a law telling us when to have sex..

Or better yet let them give us meds so we can't have children, and when they think the time is right they take us off the meds and then we can have children.. I THINK NOT....

The sad part is we gave the government too much rope and now we are getting hung by it...


James
 
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 03:05 PM
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By the way, Jesus was a liberal. ............. But Jesus would not have supported Caesar taking away an individuals right to make that important decision themselves.
You would be wrong about that as well.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 03:31 PM
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I don't want the government having a say about who prospers and who fails. Government needs to stay out of our personal lives. That would be the true definition of a nanny state.

If we are going to let women kill thier unborn children, which I believe needs to be legal, highly regulated and done in a professional medical environment, then we need to allow thoes who fail in raising thier children to suffer the consequence, right?
 
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Old Mar 12, 2010 | 04:41 PM
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He doesnt hate his own people. He simply doesnt approve.

And I doubt you'd see God claiming a political party. Im glad Real feels that he's special enough to speak for God.
 
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