We basicly have FDR. Don't you recognize the New, New Deal? It's all about the redistribution of wealth.

Can't say I agree. We do not need FDR ar anyone like him.

 

Good man, we all know that the cake is a lie.

 

Real if you dont want the government putting their nose in a woman's womb, whats the difference in the government putting their nose in a nursery when an angry person strangles a toddler to death for yelling and being an inconvenience? Should we allow this too?

Its the same thing after all.

 

Uh.... no it's not.

 

Uhh....tell me how its different

 

Do you have kids?

My wife had a miscarriage, I am told that 1 in 3 result in a miscarriage.
she had a d&c, we went home rented a movie, sad day. 3 months latter my wife was pregnent with our second child.

If someone killed my child, my life would never be the same,....forever. Marriage would struggle, relationship with other child would change and my life would be full of good days and bad.

I think abortion sucks, but i am not a women so i wont pretend that i have to make that choice.

 

Aristotle would be so proud of this logical thinking.

 

There is lots of difference between a toddler and a unborn fetus. If you don't understand that then you don't have the intellectual capacity to even have this conversation.

Further more, to make my self clear, I think abortions are horrible and I disprove of them. It's a very sad thing and I hope I never have to even think about making that decision. It should be the WOMAN's decision weather the unborn fetus that is part of HER body whether to abort the pregnancy. Not the Government!

I realize that is a battle that can not be won. So my suggestion, and I firmly beleive this is why we have STATES, is that it should be state laws that allow or disallow abortions.

As I have said before, I'm pretty much anti government anything. So I can get extreme on some views. For example I think all drugs should be legal to use and process at your home and designated areas. Do I think drugs are good? Hell no. I don't even drink alcohol. Do I think the federal Government should have a say so? Nope.

I feel the same way about guns, nothing gun ownership related should be illegal.

I think gay marriage is horrible and it disgust me. I feel it is not my right, nor the governments right to restrict anyone from marrying from who they love, So it should be legal.

Murders and killing people is another subject I could go on for hours on. I personally think dueling should be legal if both individuals accept. What is amazing to me is a lot of the same bible thumpers that preach no man should end another mans(also unborn fetus "life") is all for the death penalty.

 

I happen to be one of those conservative Bible thumpers. After reading your post, it seems that we do agree on most things. Im very anti-government and yes I am plenty capable of understanding this situation completely.

It has been proven that after so many days of conception, there is a heartbeat and measurable brain activity, and the fetus responds to outside factors. That right there is proof of life, regardless of whether it has passed through and the cord cut.
If the woman's health is in danger, if its proven to be rape or incest, I can see exceptions to the rule. However, God did not intend for his people to screw like rabbits and he certainly did not give us the authority to take the lives of our unborn babies just because "its the woman's choice."

I do not have children and I am a male. I am plenty down-to-earth and certainly intelligent enough to fully understand this debate.

Of course Im one of those religious right-wing fanatics who has no idea what the real world is like...

 

I also see your point, but do we want children in this world with parents that don't want to raise them? So that most likely they live a miserable life?

There is always a catch, and IMO if woman got knocked up being irresponsible , and doesn't want to shape up and raise a child, then she shouldn't have the kid. That child once born, how horrible this sounds, will mostly be a burden to this society if his/her parents don't want to raise them.

If I had a teenage daughter that got pregnant I'm not sure what I would do. She would probably have a miscarriage after I beat her senseless so abortion will be the least of my concerns then:o

I'm actually more for the preventative births...just make certain groups of certain people sterile from the get go. Maybe hitler was on to something

I kid I kid

 

...now you're talkin!!

I realize that my approach/beliefs are not very applicable in the world we live in unfortunately.

 

Wow. That is a surprising demonstration of intellectual ability.

A rat has a heartbeat and measurable brain activity too. It responds to outside factors as well. That proves that it is alive. Life is precious, maybe we should ban rat traps too. Save the rats, they are living, breathing life with measurable brain activity (more than a first trimester fetus has) and they respond to external stimuli.

To be clear, I believe abortion is not something I would choose (I believe it's wrong) but if the Christian conservatives have their way, there won't be a choice, the government will dictate what your woman can and can't do with her womb and that is unacceptable.

 

Real, you compare human life to rats as if they're the same, and you're making fun of me...?

-Best case scenario, I think the government should outlaw abortions. Even so, they're still going to happen, I understand this.
-Second best scenario, the government allows it but not one penny of taxpayer money will be used to fund them. They will be paid for completely by the one wishing to kill their baby.
-Worse case scenario, the government tells us to our face that they will fund abortions with our tax dollars.
-Worst case scenario, Obama and his goons lie to us, saying that MY EARNED dollars will not be used to fund something that America does not support, while at the same time, making sure that my tax dollars will pay for them.

Real's buddy chooses worst case scenario, one several issues he chooses to drop straight to the bottom of.

 

I don't mind my tax dollars going for an abortion...

It's a lot cheaper(less of my tax money) for an abortion then supporting someone on government welfare all their life...

 

No, get with the program. You said because a fetus responded to external stimuli and had electrical activity in the brain, it was alive and therefore the government should protect it.

My response is that the Constitution does not protect all life. Heck, even individual sperm are alive. Does that mean there should be a federal law against whacking off? But that was your argument, a fetus is a living thing therefore the government must protect it even if it entails the government having more say about what goes on inside your woman's womb than you do.

You're right, they're still going to happen only it won't be in a nice clean clinic with trained medical specialists, it will be in crack houses performed by anyone who thinks they can make a few hundred dollars, regardless if they have any real knowledge of how to deal with complications.


That is the current federal status.
Well that's a slippery slope but it would be cheaper than having many of those unwanted fetuses develop into drug addicts, thieves and wards of the state.

LOL! Now you are demonstrating how fearful you are of the elected President of the United States of America. By the way, it is a minority of Americans that want abortion criminalized. It's only the religious right that want government poking their noses into our woman's womb. Ironically, the same people who want the feds to take the life of prisoners who have murdered.