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Old Feb 25, 2010 | 03:53 PM
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Then there was the Thunderbolt.


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The 1964 Ford Thunderbolt

Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 115.5
Weight, lbs: 3225
Number built: 100
Base price: $3,780

Standard Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 427
Fuel system: 2 x 4bbl.
Compression ratio: 12.7:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 425 @ 6000
Torque @ rpm: 480 @ 3700

Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: NA
1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 11.76 @ 122.7
 
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Old Feb 25, 2010 | 04:38 PM
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If I remember right, those engines could be bored out to the 426.
I think they red line somewhere around 4500RPM don't they.
Klitch would need a governor, that's almost idle speed for him.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2010 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluejay
He was asking about 4 barrels. For some reason, that was the abreviation for the carb back then. A 390 4v or 351C 4v heads meant 4 barrel carb. Seems weird now, but didn't then.
Had my '84 lariat next to a new 4 valve ford in a truck show and it freaked the guy out because he didn't know 4 valves were around in the 80's. All I could do was shake my head and attempt to explain the basics of a carb.



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Old Feb 25, 2010 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluejay
He was asking about 4 barrels. For some reason, that was the abreviation for the carb back then. A 390 4v or 351C 4v heads meant 4 barrel carb. Seems weird now, but didn't then.
Originally Posted by wifordx4
4v = 4 venturi = 4 barrels
uhm. oops?! I've gotten so use to reading 2v,3v,4v and thinking of the OHC engines. Man I feel retarded as hell not even considering the idea of the carb being a factor, but then its been many years since i've even heard venturi

Originally Posted by AZ Mr. Bill
If my memory serves me correctly, the 390 was around from 1961 to about 1970 in passenger cars, and continued from 1971 to 1976 in pickups. If I also remember correctly, the reason it was phased out of passenger cars was due to the 400M, along with the 385 series engines (429/460). A good reference for all of the 390 engines available throughout those years is "Standard Catalog of American Cars: 1946 - 1975" that should be available at your local library.

As for a 4 barrel engine, these were common throughout the '60s in Thunderbirds and other cars like Galaxies. The early '60s 4 barrel engines usually came with about 10.5:1 compression, the 2 barrels came with about 9.5:1 compression

As for your "67 Fairlane, if it originally came with the 390 GT package, your vin would have an "S" for the fifth character. This would signify a 390, 335 hp, 4v engine.

If you want to build a 390 to replace the original, they are relatively simple to build. Two things I would recommend would be to NOT use the factory exhaust manifolds for the 390, as they are notoriously restrictive. If you are going to use a factory type exhaust manifold, there was one for the 427s of that era that looks similar to cast iron shorty headers, but are about as rare as hens teeth to find anymore (at least they were in the early '80s). Your best bet is to use good headers. The best stock intakes were the 390 GT 4 barrel, and the '69 - '70 428CJ (Cobra Jet), with the 390 GT 600 cfm 4 barrel carb. Also, the oil thing most people do is to enlarge the pump pickup hole in the block itself with a die grinder to match the pickup gasket, and use a Melling oil pump. You will find reference to this, along with other tips on the 390, in Pat Ganahl's book "Ford Performance". The 390 is covered in the "FE" section.

One last tip: DO NOT try to take off a cast iron 390 intake manifold with just your arms. Those things are HEAVY and should be removed with an engine hoist. Also, you will have to remove pushrods, valve covers, and rocker arms to do an intake swap.
thanks for the tips, clarification and free knowledge. Makes me doubt the statement I heard from the local kid, he told me the truck he's looking at to split, he wants the truck I'd want the motor. said it was a 79 truck with a 390 in it.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2010 | 10:02 PM
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If I remember right, those engines could be bored out to the 426.
The largest was the 428. The best for pulling was the 410 which is the 390 bore with the 428 stroke and was used in the Mercurys for a short time. I think the worst was probably the grossly under powdered 360. Any SBC could eat one in a heart beat...a GM Heartbeat.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2010 | 10:24 PM
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The '66 Fairlane's claim to fame was it was the first mid-sized Ford to hold the larger motors. The '66 Fairlane GT's came w/ a pretty hot 4 barrel 390 ... it wasn't as powerful in '67. My '67 Fairlane Facts and Features Manual lists a 270 hp 2v 390 and a 320 hp 4v 390 (I think the '66 Fairlane GT 4v 390 was 355hp). Also listed as available are a 427 4v (410 hp) and a 427 2x4v (425 hp) . The 427 Fairlanes are very rare (I've heard numbers of 60-120 made). I did see an all original '67 Comet 427 Dual 4v at a Fairlane show once ... what a scary ride that must have been!
 
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Old Feb 25, 2010 | 10:57 PM
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Klitch, just to make it clear, there were tons of 4 barrel FEs made but I've never heard of a 4 valve....if that's what yer asking. Considering the room it would take for an additional set of lifters and rods, I highly doubt it's possible to have 4 valve FEs. The FEs were a brute engine and found it's way into large trucks carrying over 70,000 lbs total. Fuel mileage was around 3-4 but they could do the work all day long. While they were the engine that Ford had during the day, it was not a great racing engine nor was it great at heavy mods as compared to other makes. But they were the torque monster of the era. If you have an old truck or car to put the 390 in, it takes to light mods like a decent cam and about a 600-750 cfm carb with headers. They have a sound of their own like the old GM 327's. If it's running and isn't burning oil bad, it's worth the $250.00. You also need to research the oil mod for the FEs. There is too much restriction at the oil filter plate and the mod has you drill it out. You'll need a high volume pump to go with the mod too. Hope you get the opportunity to put something together with it. There's nothing to compare to an old FE.

FE not a good racing engine???? I will disagree with you there! The 428CJ was the terror of the day.. they ended up making a class just for them. And the 427 high riser and tunnel port where very fast. Then there was the 427 SOHC. For years it was the engine that would make the most hp per cubic inch. Never under estimate the FE ford. One of the great designs ever. My father had bought new a 1968 428CJ torino automatic. I was 6 yrs old and riding shot gun on hennepin ave. in Minneapolis racing with him.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2010 | 11:40 PM
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the story I've always heard is the 390 loved to chew pushrods. but that was two people in idaho, never have asked the ford parts guy in town that use to drag race these cars.
 
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Old Feb 26, 2010 | 12:15 AM
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Yeah,Yeah,i know I'm late to the party....

The 390 debuted in the '61 Thunderbird.
The "FE" designation comes from Ford/Edsel.
The "MEL" is from Mercury/Edsel/Lincoln.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_MEL_engine

I have yet to have any problems with the 390 in my 'bird.
I've put over 10k miles on what I was told was a rebuild,It runs too good to pull it apart!
 
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Old Feb 26, 2010 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Klitch
the story I've always heard is the 390 loved to chew pushrods. but that was two people in idaho, never have asked the ford parts guy in town that use to drag race these cars.
That's why the red line is so low. But they make up for it in torque.
 
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Old Feb 26, 2010 | 12:42 AM
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My dad owns a '66 Fairlane convertible. He and I restored it somewhat - still haven't finished...it was originally a 6 cyl car, but my grandpa put a 289 in it when he owned it. Sure wish he would've put the 390 in it
That thing sure is a pain to keep up though...one thing I will say about chevies is that they are alot easier to find parts for (speaking of classic cars here).
 
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Old Feb 26, 2010 | 01:19 AM
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That's why the red line is so low. But they make up for it in torque.
I want both lol! I want 5500-6000 redline, and nut... wait, torque, all over the place...
 
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Old Feb 28, 2010 | 12:21 AM
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a nice modern 390 fe would be a 390 with a survival motorsport bore and stroke to make it 445 , add some ported edlebrock alum heads and performer rpm intake, add the appropriate cam for vehicle weight and it should go.

intake and heads alon eshould drop over 100 pounds out of the fron tof the vehicle.

i keep thinking of this combination for my 67 galaxie.
the other side says that for the money spent i could build a 532 lima. even a stock 460 with a cam and intake simply rip.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2010 | 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BROTHERDAVE
a nice modern 390 fe would be a 390 with a survival motorsport bore and stroke to make it 445 , add some ported edlebrock alum heads and performer rpm intake, add the appropriate cam for vehicle weight and it should go.

intake and heads alon eshould drop over 100 pounds out of the fron tof the vehicle.
Yeah, but this setup would still humiliate it:

http://www.opb.org/programs/ofg/segments/view/1686

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Old Feb 28, 2010 | 05:01 PM
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Rare parts to find and a little pricey to work on...
 
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