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Maybe the original intent was socialism, but it never happened. It was the govt taking advantage of the people, for its own benefit (well, the rulers of the govt). It was an authoritarian system of govt.
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Beat me to it wit. If Soviet Russia wasn't socialist, every history teacher/professor I ever had and every history book I have ever read and owned was/is lying. 
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Where I place my money has nothing to do with what a TV/radio personality or politician says.
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Besides, isn't North Korea the Democratic People's Repbulic of Korea? That makes them democratic, according to your argument, too, right? Two of them were, and the third is, a communist dictatorship.
Se, I guess your argument about "socialist" does not hold up real well. Frank/Tom---look up the difference between a socialist country and a communist country.
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IF you use that argument, then the German DEMOCRATIC Republic (formerly known as East Germany, was therefore democratic. What they say they were---"socialist" or "Democratic"---and what they were---communist--were two different ideas.
Besides, isn't North Korea the Democratic People's Repbulic of Korea? That makes them democratic, according to your argument, too, right? Two of them were, and the third is, a communist dictatorship.
Se, I guess your argument about "socialist" does not hold up real well. Frank/Tom---look up the difference between a socialist country and a communist country.
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Besides, isn't North Korea the Democratic People's Repbulic of Korea? That makes them democratic, according to your argument, too, right? Two of them were, and the third is, a communist dictatorship.
Se, I guess your argument about "socialist" does not hold up real well. Frank/Tom---look up the difference between a socialist country and a communist country.
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I'll take it punisher.
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So were you one of the guys PO'd at the trucking company for the way the let the drivers go? According to you, it shouldn't matter. Sucks to be them, right? Leeches on society, right? Or were they hard-working folks that, for a fault that was not theirs, "fell through the cracks'?
Health care reform is due. The govt does not need to run it, but this idea that everybody that does not have health care are leeches and a burden to society---well, they are ll lazy and do not want to work!. Ask those like the truck drivers in the previous thread if they like your idea of "Suffering is life---get used to it." (That's what your actually saying, right?)
If we extend your attitude that "Suffering is life", does it matter how those truck drivers were notified about their loss of jobs? After All,"Suffering is life", is it not? Too bad that they, hard-working guys, cannot now have the health insurance for their families. Because they lost their jobs, they have become leeches.
If we extend your attitude that "Suffering is life", does it matter how those truck drivers were notified about their loss of jobs? After All,"Suffering is life", is it not? Too bad that they, hard-working guys, cannot now have the health insurance for their families. Because they lost their jobs, they have become leeches.
If the truck drivers were living below their means then they would have money to pay for COBRA. They would also have savings to last while they are on unemployment to keep from going broke. Nobody is going to look out for you, so do it yourself.
What do I say to the two boys the man left behind? "Hey guys, sorry about your dad, but suffering is life." He wanted to work, but after his place of employment shut down, he had trouble finding a job. He also became ill, and, because he no health insurance, he (I believe) died before his time. I am not saying that he would have survived his liver problems, but he may have lived longer...he could not fight the disease on his own. He took care of his family as well as himself, but the lack of a job combined with his illness did not allow him to procure the insurance---and the treatment---that he needed.
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Yes I am this heartless in my own life. Call it an artifact of taking care of myself at a young age, compounded by military and LE training. It helps when I get into situations, both professionally and personally, that are very high in emotion.
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Actually a few posts ago was the first I heard of it. Does it make me angry? Nope not a bit. It is called private industry. Layoffs are expected. Nobody owes anybody a job. Realizing this leads one to not live beyond their means and to constantly upgrade their skill set.
I don't have to tell any of my loved ones that. My whole family has been through extended periods of suffering. Suffering happens they realize it. There is no sense in pointing it out.
If the truck drivers were living below their means then they would have money to pay for COBRA. They would also have savings to last while they are on unemployment to keep from going broke. Nobody is going to look out for you, so do it yourself.
So apparently this man did not live below his means and did not have The money to pay for COBRA. So according to my world view he failed to take care of himself, so yes, it sucks to be him. It sucks even more for his children.
Yes I am this heartless in my own life. Call it an artifact of taking care of myself at a young age, compounded by military and LE training. It helps when I get into situations, both professionally and personally, that are very high in emotion.
I don't have to tell any of my loved ones that. My whole family has been through extended periods of suffering. Suffering happens they realize it. There is no sense in pointing it out.
If the truck drivers were living below their means then they would have money to pay for COBRA. They would also have savings to last while they are on unemployment to keep from going broke. Nobody is going to look out for you, so do it yourself.
So apparently this man did not live below his means and did not have The money to pay for COBRA. So according to my world view he failed to take care of himself, so yes, it sucks to be him. It sucks even more for his children.
Yes I am this heartless in my own life. Call it an artifact of taking care of myself at a young age, compounded by military and LE training. It helps when I get into situations, both professionally and personally, that are very high in emotion.
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Words have different definitions and meanings according to how they are applied. Or, at least I would assume.
Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster
Democracy-
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2 : a political unit that has a democratic government
3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States <from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy — C. M. Roberts>
4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges
Social democracy-
1 : a political movement advocating a gradual and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism by democratic means
2 : a democratic welfare state that incorporates both capitalist and socialist practices
Pure democracy-
democracy in which the power is exercised directly by the people rather than through representatives
Democratic-
1 : of, relating to, or favoring democracy
2 often capitalized : of or relating to one of the two major political parties in the United States evolving in the early 19th century from the anti-federalists and the Democratic-Republican party and associated in modern times with policies of broad social reform and internationalism
3 : relating to, appealing to, or available to the broad masses of the people <democratic art>
4 : favoring social equality : not snobbish
Republic-
1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit <the French Fourth Republic>
2 : a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activity <the republic of letters>
3 : a constituent political and territorial unit of the former nations of Czechoslovakia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, or Yugoslavia
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2 : a political unit that has a democratic government
3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States <from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy — C. M. Roberts>
4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges
Social democracy-
1 : a political movement advocating a gradual and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism by democratic means
2 : a democratic welfare state that incorporates both capitalist and socialist practices
Pure democracy-
democracy in which the power is exercised directly by the people rather than through representatives
Democratic-
1 : of, relating to, or favoring democracy
2 often capitalized : of or relating to one of the two major political parties in the United States evolving in the early 19th century from the anti-federalists and the Democratic-Republican party and associated in modern times with policies of broad social reform and internationalism
3 : relating to, appealing to, or available to the broad masses of the people <democratic art>
4 : favoring social equality : not snobbish
Republic-
1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit <the French Fourth Republic>
2 : a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activity <the republic of letters>
3 : a constituent political and territorial unit of the former nations of Czechoslovakia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, or Yugoslavia
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A Socialist country is a country where the government or the public as a whole has control over the economy. In a socialist country, the producing and dispersing of goods is owned by the government. Socialism is placed in between capitalism and communism.
Communism is a political way of thinking and idea of how society should work and be organized. Communism is a kind of socialism that says that there should not be social classes or states. Communism says that the people of any and every place in the world should all own the tools, factories, and farms that are used to produce goods and food. This social process is known as common ownership. In a communist society, there is no private property.
Communism is a political way of thinking and idea of how society should work and be organized. Communism is a kind of socialism that says that there should not be social classes or states. Communism says that the people of any and every place in the world should all own the tools, factories, and farms that are used to produce goods and food. This social process is known as common ownership. In a communist society, there is no private property.
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Both socialism and communism are based on the principle that the goods and services produced in an economy should be owned publicly and controlled and planned by a centralized organization. However, socialism asserts that the distribution should take place according to the amount of individuals' production efforts, while communism asserts that that goods and services should be distributed among the populace according to individuals' needs.
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Tom, the USSR was communist---other European countries are socialist; you supplied your own answer.
Communism is a political way of thinking and idea of how society should work and be organized. Communism is a kind of socialism that says that there should not be social classes or states. Communism says that the people of any and every place in the world should all own the tools, factories, and farms that are used to produce goods and food. This social process is known as common ownership. In a communist society, there is no private property.
The former Soviet Union was communist; there was no private property; everything was owned by the state. In a socialist country, there is indeed private enterprise and it is allowed. Heck, there was no "prostitution" in the USSR as that would force them to admit that the women of the night were employed not by the state, but by either themselves or their pimps.
A Socialist country is a country where the government or the public as a whole has control over the economy. In a socialist country, the producing and dispersing of goods is owned by the government. Socialism is placed in between capitalism and communism. By using your logic, Great Britain is communist, as is Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, as there is no difference between a communist and a socialist state.
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Communism is a political way of thinking and idea of how society should work and be organized. Communism is a kind of socialism that says that there should not be social classes or states. Communism says that the people of any and every place in the world should all own the tools, factories, and farms that are used to produce goods and food. This social process is known as common ownership. In a communist society, there is no private property.
The former Soviet Union was communist; there was no private property; everything was owned by the state. In a socialist country, there is indeed private enterprise and it is allowed. Heck, there was no "prostitution" in the USSR as that would force them to admit that the women of the night were employed not by the state, but by either themselves or their pimps.
A Socialist country is a country where the government or the public as a whole has control over the economy. In a socialist country, the producing and dispersing of goods is owned by the government. Socialism is placed in between capitalism and communism. By using your logic, Great Britain is communist, as is Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, as there is no difference between a communist and a socialist state.
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Well, it's not my logic, but I guess I'll take your word for it here too?
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