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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 10:48 PM
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Rationing? Good old Glenn Beck and common sense indoctrination.

 
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 4.6 Punisher
Rationing? Good old Glenn Beck indoctrination.
Not Glenn Beck at all. It's called history, recent at that.

Study Great Britain's healthcare system, for starters. Read for a change.
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 4.6 Punisher
Rationing? Good old Glenn Beck indoctrination.
Funny.

You are an adult, correct? Did I see somewhere that you are a teacher in some capacity? If either is true, why do you choose the adolescent reponses? Expand your horizons. You aren't going to learn the details by looking no further than the Huffington Post and Daily Kos any more than someone who looks no further than Beck or NRO. Have you read any part of any version of the bill? Have you seen who will make the decisions on who will get care and who will not?

You seem to choose to take the easy way out. I know that you think that you've got a zinger on those who believe that this health care legislation and the entire progressive agenda is destructive to our country. Not everyone is as narrow as you though. We don't all just listen to a talking head and form an opinion. We've all got the internet at our fingertips. I guess only some of us use it.
 

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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 07:41 AM
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The big argument for healthcare is humanity. Is it humane to let someone died because they can't afford a hospital? What about food? Clean drinking water?
Is it humanity that makes some people want funding for abortions to be provided by the taxpayers?
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 09:33 AM
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I do take the easy way out because arguing with you guys is like slamming my head against a wall trying break it down. On the slim chance that I do break it down, I've lost almost all brain activity getting through it.

I'll let you all stew in your amazingness.
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 4.6 Punisher
I do take the easy way out because arguing with you guys is like slamming my head against a wall trying break it down. On the slim chance that I do break it down, I've lost almost all brain activity getting through it.

I'll let you all stew in your amazingness.
Maybe that is why you are a democrat?
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 10:27 AM
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Good ole Punisher, Always around for a quip then tucks his tail between his legs and runs.
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 10:35 AM
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 11:04 AM
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It's really simple math. More people on health insurance that we as taxpapers have to provide for. Even if the number of doctors stay the same now you have millions more competing for that care with money we don't have. What does anyone think will happen? There will be rationing, it only makes sense. The three doctors I use tell me that many are pulling out of govt. based insurance now because they don't pay for crap compared to private insurance. Many of the family care guys are going back to school for a specialty. I don't blame anyone that invests 8,10 or 12 years of their life and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get payed what they deserve. It also seems funny that the unions are balking at pitching in to help pay for their friends that don't have insurance. Everything changes when the "cadillac plans" are threatened. Why mess with people that have scrimpted and saved their wholes lives to get health insurance and are happy with it. The socialists should have just worried about the ones that didn't and left the rest of us alone. The bottom line is I've worked hard all my life for the meager existence I have and it's not fair that I have to provide for anyone else to get insurance. I have enough problems in life...I don't need any more.
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 11:12 AM
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The bottom line is I've worked hard all my life for the meager existence I have and it's not fair that I have to provide for anyone else to get insurance.
Or food, or medicine, or a home phone, or a cell phone, or a place to live, or a R_E_T_I_R_E_M_E_N_T.

I am sacrificing now to keep my family on health insurance, pay our bills, and have a little something later on besides social security. Why should I eat ramen noodles while I pay for someone else to eat steak?
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 11:34 AM
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It's really simple math. More people on health insurance that we as taxpapers have to provide for. Even if the number of doctors stay the same now you have millions more competing for that care with money we don't have. What does anyone think will happen? There will be rationing, it only makes sense. The three doctors I use tell me that many are pulling out of govt. based insurance now because they don't pay for crap compared to private insurance. Many of the family care guys are going back to school for a specialty. I don't blame anyone that invests 8,10 or 12 years of their life and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get payed what they deserve. It also seems funny that the unions are balking at pitching in to help pay for their friends that don't have insurance. Everything changes when the "cadillac plans" are threatened. Why mess with people that have scrimpted and saved their wholes lives to get health insurance and are happy with it. The socialists should have just worried about the ones that didn't and left the rest of us alone. The bottom line is I've worked hard all my life for the meager existence I have and it's not fair that I have to provide for anyone else to get insurance. I have enough problems in life...I don't need any more.
Well I'm sorry but our President (praise be unto him) has said that there won't be rationing and that if you think so you're just a loon that's unpatriotic.

I find it ironic that the very people that screamed the loudest about not trusting our government are the first ones in line to believe what the current folks say and would like nothing more than to have the government take over health care.
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 12:58 PM
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Maybe that is why you are a democrat?
I am?! I could have sworn that I didn't vote last time around, maybe I've been playing "break down a reinforced concrete wall with my face" a little too much with you guys.



I'm going to have to make a revised sig now, thanks for the inspiration 1st!
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 04:35 PM
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Since the government is run but socialists "democrats" it should be fair that "democrats" pay for this crap! Most of the folks that need it are socialists anyway!!
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 4.6 Punisher
Rationing? Good old Glenn Beck indoctrination.
I find it positively amazing that such a simple statement, a joke of sorts, can get so many people infuriated!

Lots of thin skins on both sides of the divide.
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by serotta
I find it positively amazing that such a simple statement, a joke of sorts, can get so many people infuriated!

Lots of thin skins on both sides of the divide.
The fuses tend to be much shorter when dealing with certain subjects. Light one up and look out!
 
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