WWII an obvious observation for discussion.
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The Great Purge that Frank speaks of happened in 1937 and continued into the next year. The "purge" was to eliminate anyone that was not loyal to Stalin. The loyalty to the motherland was irrelevant. All but one admiral of the Russian Navy was executed. Three of the five army Generals were executed. It's estimated that Stalin killed/executed between 950,000 and 1.2 million people during the "purge". There was very little difference between Hitler and Stalin. Stalin even had marksmen put behind the advancing Russian armys so that the troops could not retreat. If you fell back, you were shot for treason on the spot. It's argued that we should have joined Hitler against Stalin. Had Hitler attacked Russia before his adventures into Austria and others, we probably would have supported it. But the world at that time was still getting over WWI and war was the last thing anybody wanted. Too bad that the world made things so hard for Germany after WWI. If they had left Germany alone and not stripped them of their industry and ability to feed their people, there would not have been the environment for somebody like Hitler to come to power. Hitler was not the fault of the German people, it was the worlds fault.
Stalin's purges were much much more than just 1937-1938.
This article doesn't mention the total with Churchill, although they knew he had murdered around 30,000,000. You guys will get the picture: http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis45.html
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Stalin admitted to Churchill that about 20,000,000 had died under him. Some through purges, some through famines, which were his fault.
Stalin's purges were much much more than just 1937-1938.
This article doesn't mention the total with Churchill, although they knew he had murdered around 30,000,000. You guys will get the picture: http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis45.html
Stalin's purges were much much more than just 1937-1938.
This article doesn't mention the total with Churchill, although they knew he had murdered around 30,000,000. You guys will get the picture: http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis45.html
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Stalin admitted to Churchill that about 20,000,000 had died under him. Some through purges, some through famines, which were his fault.
Stalin's purges were much much more than just 1937-1938.
This article doesn't mention the total with Churchill, although they knew he had murdered around 30,000,000. You guys will get the picture: http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis45.html
Stalin's purges were much much more than just 1937-1938.
This article doesn't mention the total with Churchill, although they knew he had murdered around 30,000,000. You guys will get the picture: http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis45.html
The Soviet Tale, WARNIG!!! Unnapropiate for childern and youngsters!!!
Being 39 years old, I've read a little history in my life, WOW some of this stuff isn't taught in schools. What makes people so bad to do so much damage. Seems like the Soviets make the holocaust seem like a picnic.
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Well if your stomach can handle it--upon doing some research on the gulags and russia I stumbled upon this video:
The Soviet Tale, WARNIG!!! Unnapropiate for childern and youngsters!!!
Being 39 years old, I've read a little history in my life, WOW some of this stuff isn't taught in schools. What makes people so bad to do so much damage. Seems like the Soviets make the holocaust seem like a picnic.
The Soviet Tale, WARNIG!!! Unnapropiate for childern and youngsters!!!
Being 39 years old, I've read a little history in my life, WOW some of this stuff isn't taught in schools. What makes people so bad to do so much damage. Seems like the Soviets make the holocaust seem like a picnic.
Being a history buff yourself, I'm sure you're well aware of these facts.
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Still scares me to think of my Mother doing that sort of operational testing. It's a wonder they worked at all.
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In the early '40's my Mother was a young girl working for Becton ****inson Medical supply company in New Jersey when their entire department was switched over to testing a new piece of equipment they were producing. She had no idea what she was doing, just following instructions. After several months and many rumors, they figured out they were quality control testers for all the Norden bombsights in our aircraft during WWII.
Still scares me to think of my Mother doing that sort of operational testing. It's a wonder they worked at all.
Still scares me to think of my Mother doing that sort of operational testing. It's a wonder they worked at all.
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Frank, I do not believe for one minute that we do not talk about it because we are all "socialistic in their beliefs." Many of the textbooks focus more on the Axis, but, while I teach English IV, many of my friends who teach social studies delve heavily into the Soviet Union and WWII, as well as the pogroms and purges. You are a very intelligent man, Frank, but that line was way too simplistic for you.
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That's okay, we can cut Frank some slack, I'm sure he didn't mean to be so general.
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Not trying to be agreeable or disagreeable. But in school, we studied very little on the Russian history. The studies did touch on the revolution, Stalin, The Gulags, and a few other tidbits. But never anything in depth. Certainly not much about the Jewish. I don't remember anything about the Purge. But I didn't take any history on the college classes I took, because I really wasn't there for a degree. I only took courses, that would help in direct control of business. But I have always been a study of history, just not much beyond the cold war, when it came to the USSR.
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Wow---that is really a complete generalization, Frank---I thought you were better than that. As a matter of fact Frank, I brought this point up about Hitler just the other day when we were drawing comparisons form Macbeth to other dictators who rule out of fear. One student mentioned Hitler, and I pointed out that Stalin made Hitler look like an amateur
Frank, I do not believe for one minute that we do not talk about it because we are all "socialistic in their beliefs." Many of the textbooks focus more on the Axis, but, while I teach English IV, many of my friends who teach social studies delve heavily into the Soviet Union and WWII, as well as the pogroms and purges. You are a very intelligent man, Frank, but that line was way too simplistic for you.
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Frank, I do not believe for one minute that we do not talk about it because we are all "socialistic in their beliefs." Many of the textbooks focus more on the Axis, but, while I teach English IV, many of my friends who teach social studies delve heavily into the Soviet Union and WWII, as well as the pogroms and purges. You are a very intelligent man, Frank, but that line was way too simplistic for you.
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