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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 09:10 PM
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When he was elected, I said I would support him because he is our President. I agreed with myself to give him a chance. It is gone, the chance is gone. the window the chance went out of is now boarded up.
Like an above post said. It took him 3 months to come up with that? I hope his blackberry never breaks, he'll brick a ****, -aahh,= I mean **** a crack, damn it will be something like that. But maybe it'll pass the inards in those three months.
To the untrained eye that this post sounds stuppid, but in the meantime, he'll be distracted, and the World a much better place.
 
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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 10:09 PM
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wonder if over the winter he'll practice what he preaches and turns his thermostat down from the 80 he keeps it at to below 70 which he recommends to the general public?
 
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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 10:28 PM
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He has been in office less than a year. I suggest you wait at least three more years before trying to judge him. You may not have voted for him but he is still OUR president and he deserves OUR support.
I didn't vote for him, he's not my president.


I will never support that douchebag.....never.....
 
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 12:33 AM
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I was one of the people who said I would support him because he was the president and give him a chance. Well all I can do now is get depressed when I see what he's done. My only hope is that the US will be recognizable when he is voted out of office. If he gets elected a second term, I have no faith that this country will survive.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 02:01 AM
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Yes. We must wait untill he's fundamentally transformed America, into something that we no longer recognize. He knows that he's got a limited time to shove all of his "plans" down our throats.
Why are you so sure he's going to make America worse? It was not Obama who got us into our current mess. Only a whacko would think so negatively all the time. Has he taken your guns away yet? Give us a break!

Oh the irony. How many times in the last eight years did we hear these words said? We're supposed to react differently now than liberals did then?
The liberals disagreed with specific Bush policies, policies that actually existed. The conservatives act as if Obama wants to hurt his country and make stuff up out of thin air that has no basis in reality. The liberals worked with Bush and supported him as Commander in Chief, approving his add-on war budgets (even though they should have been part of the normal budgeting process). The conservatives are being obstructionist while they perpetrate lies about everything from Obamas citizenship, birthplace, religion, his relationships, his allegiance, government death panels, internment camps, etc. etc. etc. . It has become impossible to have a constructive policy debate.

Don't be a sore loser, your country is more important than your personal vendetta. Give the guy a chance, don't judge him before he's had time to do what he promised before he was elected. I know I wouldn't want his job but so far it looks like he's making a good go of it. But these things take time. You don't just wave a magic wand and improve the world overnight and he never said it would be quick or easy.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 02:08 AM
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I didn't vote for him, he's not my president.
If he's not your president then you're not an American.


I will never support that douchebag.....never.....
Whatever...that's what I'm talking about.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 02:13 AM
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Are you saying that all the conservatives aren't disagreeing on certain polices? I disagree with him on a lot of things, I also disagreed with Bush on a lot of things. And a lot of the things Obama wants to do, if you ask me, are going to ruin America. And you can't say he isn't in a hurry to change things, he rushes through everything. If somebody doesn't agree with him, its not being a sore loser. Also, why would you give him a chance to do what he promised before judging him when you don't like what he promised?
 
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 05:24 AM
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allot of his faults are due to a lack of political experience,imho,at least he,s a natural born citizen...
 
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Real
If he's not your president then you're not an American.


Whatever...that's what I'm talking about.

Hey if you want to get on your knees for him like all the other people who praise him as the so-called Messiah then by all means, do what ya gotta do....but I don't acknowledge him. He's a publicity stunt, not a president.
Don't get mad because I state my opinion and don't agree with you.
 

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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 07:43 AM
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Why are you so sure he's going to make America worse? It was not Obama who got us into our current mess. Only a whacko would think so negatively all the time. Has he taken your guns away yet? Give us a break!
You're right. Bush did quite a job of mucking things up. I agreed with him on some points. Mainly to do with national security.

In my job, if I have to fix something that someone before me screwed up, I don't fix it by screwing it up more.

When Obama took office, things were in tough shape. People were pissed off at the record spending that the Bush administration did. What did Obama do? Spent more. People were pissed off at the civil liberties the Bush administration was infringing upon. What is the Obama administration doing? It's positioning it's self to control more and more of our lives. From banks and mortgages, to health care and among many other things how our media functions. That Patriot Act that the evil Bush enacted, what's happening with that now?



Originally Posted by Real
The liberals disagreed with specific Bush policies, policies that actually existed. The conservatives act as if Obama wants to hurt his country and make stuff up out of thin air that has no basis in reality. The liberals worked with Bush and supported him as Commander in Chief,.
Thin air? Hows that bubble you're living in.

That thin air is getting pretty thick!

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...the czars, who aren't accountable to anyone other than the president.

...the overhaul of health care in this country, an attemt to have it resemble inadequate, socialist systems in other countries.

...the misguided decision to try terrorists, who are responsible in part for killing thousands of innocent American civillians, in American civillian courts.

...this debt that is being run up on our behalf. It's not like it was small before Obama, but he's intent on ballooning it, perhaps to topple the whole system so that he can begin to rebuild it the way he thinks it should be.

...the subject of our government taking over our media, so that after children have been indoctrinated in the public school system, they can be tasked with brainwashing everyone else.

...the taxes that we're being told will only be levied on the "rich". It seems the thing that they are leaving out is that compared to other places on this planet, the poorest in our country are rich to someone in the world to be governed by a proposed global government.

...the undue influence that this president and his administration have given to unions and community activist groups. They've choosen the easiest among us to lead around to do the dirty work. Soon this administration will have it's civillian army to keep us all in order.

...the subject of the wholesale transfer of wealth in the entire world justified by a therory who's science has been manipulated to alter the results. Even though the evidence is now in the light of day, we are still going to be forced to pay for "global climate change" whether we can actually do anything about it or not.

...the constant effort, over the past hundred years or so, to make the founding document of this country, the Constitution, irrelevent. The progressive movement has waited for many, many years for the opportunity that it's been granted with, with the historic election of Barack Hussein Obama. Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm!
 

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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Real
He has been in office less than a year. I suggest you wait at least three more years before trying to judge him. You may not have voted for him but he is still OUR president and he deserves OUR support.
How can u ask me to support him just because he's the president? You want me to agree w/the dismantling of the USofA. I sir, can NOT do that. People can agree to disagree and that's how I see OUR relationship. (Meaning the president and I.)
 
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 01:49 PM
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When Obama took office, things were in tough shape. People were pissed off at the record spending that the Bush administration did. What did Obama do? Spent more.
True, Bush approved/caused far too much discretionary spending because he listened to the dillusional Cheney when it came to invading Iraq. On top of that he allowed Cheney's cronies to funnel off billions in corrupt no-bid contracts. The chaos of war in a foreign land is a great way to steal from your country.

Omama's spending is a combination of cleaning up the Iraq mess, fixing the problem in Afghanistan (caused when the Bush administration diverted war resources to Iraq at an inopportune time) and the bulk of the "Obama" spending was to prevent the financial system from literally imploding after a decade of trying to prop the worn-out tired and overly deregulated financial system. Worker's wages have been back-sliding for years. Taxes on the workers had not gone down significantly while the fat cats were getting all the breaks. There is no doubt that big changes are needed. If we go back to the way things were when Obama took office, the same thing will happen again and again only it will be successively worse each time. This will happen unless the roots of the problem are fixed.



People were pissed off at the civil liberties the Bush administration was infringing upon. What is the Obama administration doing? It's positioning it's self to control more and more of our lives. From banks and mortgages, to health care and among many other things how our media functions. That Patriot Act that the evil Bush enacted, what's happening with that now?
Like most bills, the Patriot Act contained some necessary changes but it also contained some unbelievably scary stuff. The Dems (and some Libertarian-minded Republicans) have done the hard work to clean out the most offensive thefts of civil liberties but I'm sure a bit more could be done to bring it in line with our ideals. Obama actually specialized in Constitutional Law at Harvard and understands civil liberties in a way that the elitist Bush could never know. Civil liberties and the rule of law are important to Obama and he understands the founding principles on a level Bush could never comprehend.

...the czars, who aren't accountable to anyone other than the president.
That is just a conservative "talking" point. The truth of the matter is "czar" is just a media term for administration appointees. All Presidents have "czars" and Obama actually has less "czars" than Bush did. There is a lot of mis-information and vitrol out there.

...the overhaul of health care in this country, an attemt to have it resemble inadequate, socialist systems in other countries.
Please educate yourself beyond listening to ignorant people who are parroting the line of big insurance companies. The healthcare in "socialist" countries like Iceland, Sweden, Germany, Finland, France and many other "socialist" countries is more effective and demonstrately better with lower rates of hospital deaths due to infection, etc. etc. etc. By almost any chosen metric these countries all have more effective (and less expensive) healthcare than the U.S. The health care here is like robbery for hire. Our Federal Budget cannot be balanced without solving this issue.

...the misguided decision to try terrorists, who are responsible in part for killing thousands of innocent American civillians, in American civillian courts.
Please educate yourself. Terrorists have been tried and convicted more times in civilian courts than in military law. A major terrorist has never been aquitted in a U.S. civilian court. This decision to try the terrorists in civilian courts was made with the best interests of your country in mind and only after knowing all the details of the cases in question. The backlash against that decision is driven by partisian politics. It always amazes me how how conservatives continially rally around someone elses talking points.

...this debt that is being run up on our behalf. It's not like it was small before Obama, but he's intent on ballooning it, perhaps to topple the whole system so that he can begin to rebuild it the way he thinks it should be.
Obama is not intent on ballooning the debt, that is conservative rhetoric. He takes the debt very seriously and is actually a fiscal moderate who has a real desire for a balanced budget. But in the current economic climate, a lack of liquidity would have collapsed the economy and made it take even longer to balance the budget had he tightened up the purse strings at precisely the wrong time. Sometimes the slow but safe way is the best solution. Like the tortoise and the hare.

...the subject of our government taking over our media, so that after children have been indoctrinated in the public school system, they can be tasked with brainwashing everyone else.
Please educate yourself. You spew this conservative rhetoric as if it had real basis in fact.

...the taxes that we're being told will only be levied on the "rich". It seems the thing that they are leaving out is that compared to other places on this planet, the poorest in our country are rich to someone in the world to be governed by a proposed global government.
Please educate yourself. The taxes on the rich are still far, far lower than the average tax rates on the rich over the last 100 years. If a Republican is to win the election in three years it will be because he promised to be fiscally responsible and raise the top tax rates. Mark my words. You see, Republicans love to TALK about being fiscally responsible but, if history is any guide, it just means spending more and taxing less. Yeah, check it out, Republicans tend to spend more and increase the deficit more, leaving the budget mess for a Democrat to clean up (by raising taxes on the rich).

...the undue influence that this president and his administration have given to unions and community activist groups. They've choosen the easiest among us to lead around to do the dirty work. Soon this administration will have it's civillian army to keep us all in order.
Civilian army? Now your talking crack! Are you whacko?

Please educate yourself. Unions and churches are THE PEOPLE (as in "we the people". Unions would not exist if the workers were not under-represented. Wall Street has their high-powered representatives and yet it bothers you when the working guy gets the same representation? Are you anti-american?

...the subject of the wholesale transfer of wealth in the entire world justified by a therory who's science has been manipulated to alter the results. Even though the evidence is now in the light of day, we are still going to be forced to pay for "global climate change" whether we can actually do anything about it or not.
The science is not exact but the consensus of over 95% of the worlds scientists is not driven by bad science unless you're an extreme right wing talking head or an oil company representative. Scratch that last one, even the oil company represetatives admit to the problem. The insurance companies know about it too and have changed their policies to survive the results. Do you think the big money businessman were fooled too? Whacky!

...the constant effort, over the past hundred years or so, to make the founding document of this country, the Constitution, irrelevent. The progressive movement has waited for many, many years for the opportunity that it's been granted with, with the historic election of Barack Hussein Obama. Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm!
Obama is a Constitutional scholar and respects that founding document in a very profound way. Bush didn't even understand the Constitution, let alone respect it. To say Obama wants to make the Constitution irrelevant is to show your ignorance of who Obama is and what he stands for.

You have been brain-washed by the racists. Sorry but that's what your own words show.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 02:22 PM
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You have been brain-washed by the racists.
You think anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist or brainwashed by racists???

Why don't you try another play from the ACORN play book. Playing the race card just does not cut it.

Your allegation that we only oppose Obama due to his race is deeply offensive to me, and many millions of Americans who make this country great.

FYI, us millions who disagree with you and Obama are not letting you and your ilk our country without a fight.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 02:30 PM
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Dirt Bike Dave: I owe you a beer if I ever meet you. Well said!

Oh, and by saying that I'm unamerican if I don't support the president is like telling me that the time I spent aboard the USS Eisenhower in the Persian Gulf means nothing. You sir are the one that needs to educate yourself.

"Constitutional Scholar" Are you kidding me? Why doesn't he try following it then? You need to quit now, because us REAL AMERICANS can tear apart anything you wanna throw at us about NObama.
 

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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 02:31 PM
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Your allegation that we only oppose Obama due to his race is deeply offensive to me, and many millions of Americans who make this country great.
I didn't say you oppose Obama due to his race (but his race probably doesn't make it any more difficult to believe all the lies). I said there are racists out there painting Obama as a very scary person who hates white people, hates America and loves muslim extremists. If you fall for that type of rhetoric it doesn't necessarily make YOU a racist but there are plenty of racists making these wild lies up every day.

FYI, us millions who disagree with you and Obama are not letting you and your ilk our country without a fight.
Sheesh! I hope you mean that figuratively. Last I checked we had a functioning democracy. Actually, that sentence is incoherent.
 
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