President said what??
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Every religion has their extremists.
While I personally don't subscribe to ANY religion because I honestly believe it is nothing more than an institution whose time has passed; but I do realize that (your religion here) has their fare share of whack jobs.
We have some devout Christians on these boards, I know this because I am friends with some of them, and if you were to ask them their thoughts on say someone who calls themselves a Christian yet kills a doctor at an abortion clinic, they would immediately say "That person is not a real Christian".
(There are some of you who are secretly happy when you hear of such a story, but don't kid yourself, you're not a real Christian either, you just pretend to be)
The same can be said for these terrorists who make the news more and more.
The genuine real peace loving Muslims will tell you the same thing, that "they are not Muslims".
It's just that many people are bigots, they want a simple solution to a problem which is so overwhelmingly complicated, they would rather paint an entire group with one brush and say "bomb em all".
If people truly want to rid the world of terrorism, they must first rid the world of ignorance, and that starts by educating our own people first.
If you want a good example, the video the OP posted in this thread is a perfect example of small minded people attempting to make a false point through intellectual dishonesty. If you happen to be an ignoramus, you will be fooled into believing what the creator of the video wants you to believe, that the President is a terrorist who has aligned himself with Muslim Extremists, and it’s simply not true.
While I personally don't subscribe to ANY religion because I honestly believe it is nothing more than an institution whose time has passed; but I do realize that (your religion here) has their fare share of whack jobs.
We have some devout Christians on these boards, I know this because I am friends with some of them, and if you were to ask them their thoughts on say someone who calls themselves a Christian yet kills a doctor at an abortion clinic, they would immediately say "That person is not a real Christian".
(There are some of you who are secretly happy when you hear of such a story, but don't kid yourself, you're not a real Christian either, you just pretend to be)
The same can be said for these terrorists who make the news more and more.
The genuine real peace loving Muslims will tell you the same thing, that "they are not Muslims".
It's just that many people are bigots, they want a simple solution to a problem which is so overwhelmingly complicated, they would rather paint an entire group with one brush and say "bomb em all".
If people truly want to rid the world of terrorism, they must first rid the world of ignorance, and that starts by educating our own people first.
If you want a good example, the video the OP posted in this thread is a perfect example of small minded people attempting to make a false point through intellectual dishonesty. If you happen to be an ignoramus, you will be fooled into believing what the creator of the video wants you to believe, that the President is a terrorist who has aligned himself with Muslim Extremists, and it’s simply not true.
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Anything taken out of context, can and will be misunderstood. Have you read the ENTIRE Surah 9 repentance? There are 129 ayahs and I'm fairly certain you haven't read them.
If you care to read a bit:
http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/009.asp
I had some free time and decided to educate myself....I read the Surah and talked to a couple of Muslim students in my school. This was their explanation to the best of the regurgitation from our conversation:
A group of Pagans made an agreement with the Muslims that they would be allowed to do Hajj(pilgrimage to Mecca). The Muslims did as the agreement asked but the Pagans repeatedly denied them the right to do Hajj and blocked them even though they had fulfilled there part of the bargain. So they were given a warning over a period of of time and then if they did not allow them to do Hajj than they were given permission to fight the Pagans who had violated the agreement. But were clearly told not to harm those who had not violated the agreements. In Islam at the time Muslims were forbidden to fight without permission. This was permission to go to war.
This is taken out of context:
"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction"
OR
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household."
Only reading the above, what would you think of Christianity knowing the above came from the Holy Bible?
If you care to read a bit:
http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/009.asp
I had some free time and decided to educate myself....I read the Surah and talked to a couple of Muslim students in my school. This was their explanation to the best of the regurgitation from our conversation:
A group of Pagans made an agreement with the Muslims that they would be allowed to do Hajj(pilgrimage to Mecca). The Muslims did as the agreement asked but the Pagans repeatedly denied them the right to do Hajj and blocked them even though they had fulfilled there part of the bargain. So they were given a warning over a period of of time and then if they did not allow them to do Hajj than they were given permission to fight the Pagans who had violated the agreement. But were clearly told not to harm those who had not violated the agreements. In Islam at the time Muslims were forbidden to fight without permission. This was permission to go to war.
This is taken out of context:
"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction"
OR
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household."
Only reading the above, what would you think of Christianity knowing the above came from the Holy Bible?
That is not a call to arms. I don't see Christians screaming, "The Great I AM" and killing 13 soldiers and wounding 30.
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From: Blue Ridge Mountains, GA
Every religion has their extremists.
While I personally don't subscribe to ANY religion because I honestly believe it is nothing more than an institution whose time has passed; but I do realize that (your religion here) has their fare share of whack jobs.
We have some devout Christians on these boards, I know this because I am friends with some of them, and if you were to ask them their thoughts on say someone who calls themselves a Christian yet kills a doctor at an abortion clinic, they would immediately say "That person is not a real Christian".
(There are some of you who are secretly happy when you hear of such a story, but don't kid yourself, you're not a real Christian either, you just pretend to be)
The same can be said for these terrorists who make the news more and more.
The genuine real peace loving Muslims will tell you the same thing, that "they are not Muslims".
It's just that many people are bigots, they want a simple solution to a problem which is so overwhelmingly complicated, they would rather paint an entire group with one brush and say "bomb em all".
If people truly want to rid the world of terrorism, they must first rid the world of ignorance, and that starts by educating our own people first.
If you want a good example, the video the OP posted in this thread is a perfect example of small minded people attempting to make a false point through intellectual dishonesty. If you happen to be an ignoramus, you will be fooled into believing what the creator of the video wants you to believe, that the President is a terrorist who has aligned himself with Muslim Extremists, and it’s simply not true.
While I personally don't subscribe to ANY religion because I honestly believe it is nothing more than an institution whose time has passed; but I do realize that (your religion here) has their fare share of whack jobs.
We have some devout Christians on these boards, I know this because I am friends with some of them, and if you were to ask them their thoughts on say someone who calls themselves a Christian yet kills a doctor at an abortion clinic, they would immediately say "That person is not a real Christian".
(There are some of you who are secretly happy when you hear of such a story, but don't kid yourself, you're not a real Christian either, you just pretend to be)
The same can be said for these terrorists who make the news more and more.
The genuine real peace loving Muslims will tell you the same thing, that "they are not Muslims".
It's just that many people are bigots, they want a simple solution to a problem which is so overwhelmingly complicated, they would rather paint an entire group with one brush and say "bomb em all".
If people truly want to rid the world of terrorism, they must first rid the world of ignorance, and that starts by educating our own people first.
If you want a good example, the video the OP posted in this thread is a perfect example of small minded people attempting to make a false point through intellectual dishonesty. If you happen to be an ignoramus, you will be fooled into believing what the creator of the video wants you to believe, that the President is a terrorist who has aligned himself with Muslim Extremists, and it’s simply not true.
Anyone who kills someone outside of an accident or self-defense should be executed, no exceptions. Christian, Muslim, whatever. This goes for Muslims who take the Qur'an seriously and do what it says, or someone who kills an abortion Dr.
"Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD."
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I believe the problem with being MUSLIM is that our founding fathers and such adopted the faith of one nation under GOD.. Not whomever we see fit.. Turn from Osama Obama while you can... before it's too late..
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Wow habibi, you 'assume' many things in this post. Ridding the world of "ignorance" is an impossible task. It's like ridding the world of sunshine. Mr. Hasan did what his book told him to do, as cowardly as that is.
Anyone who kills someone outside of an accident or self-defense should be executed, no exceptions. Christian, Muslim, whatever. This goes for Muslims who take the Qur'an seriously and do what it says, or someone who kills an abortion Dr.
Anyone who kills someone outside of an accident or self-defense should be executed, no exceptions. Christian, Muslim, whatever. This goes for Muslims who take the Qur'an seriously and do what it says, or someone who kills an abortion Dr.
So if something seems/is overhwelming we give up? Don't bother trying?
You can say I'm wasting my time or whatever, but I would rather try than sit idly by and do nothing at all.
I could sit here too Frank, just like you and hate everyone who isn't like me, or doesn't follow my point of view, but no thanks.
There's no law prohibiting you from hating Muslims, and if it makes you feel better, than by all means, fill your boots.
The irony is that I'm not Christian, I'm not anything when it comes to religion and yet I probably have more love and compassion in my heart towards my fellow man than many of you who call yourselves Christians, now that right there is irony.
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I don't consider us at war with Islam, but I do consider the ones we are at war with extremist.
They claim to be Islam, but in fact it is our way of life that provokes them.
How about Jones town, allot of misled Innocent people died there. Were they Christian?
They claim to be Islam, but in fact it is our way of life that provokes them.
How about Jones town, allot of misled Innocent people died there. Were they Christian?
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I don't post in the GD area any more as it was getting too "partisan" for me.
Actually, I have not even visited the Forum for some time until I leased a Taurus SHO and noticed a thread on that vehicle.
Not to wander too far, I took a look at the other recent posts this evening and ran across this one.
I think that Habibi's remarks are the closest to the mark I have seen in a long time.
As to the video posted by the OP, I am sorry, but in my opinion that is a very poorly done hatchet job with very bad editing.
Bill
Actually, I have not even visited the Forum for some time until I leased a Taurus SHO and noticed a thread on that vehicle.
Not to wander too far, I took a look at the other recent posts this evening and ran across this one.
I think that Habibi's remarks are the closest to the mark I have seen in a long time.
As to the video posted by the OP, I am sorry, but in my opinion that is a very poorly done hatchet job with very bad editing.
Bill
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From: Blue Ridge Mountains, GA
Ridding the world of ignorance is impossible, but trying isn't.
So if something seems/is overhwelming we give up? Don't bother trying?
You can say I'm wasting my time or whatever, but I would rather try than sit idly by and do nothing at all.
I could sit here too Frank, just like you and hate everyone who isn't like me, or doesn't follow my point of view, but no thanks.
There's no law prohibiting you from hating Muslims, and if it makes you feel better, than by all means, fill your boots.
The irony is that I'm not Christian, I'm not anything when it comes to religion and yet I probably have more love and compassion in my heart towards my fellow man than many of you who call yourselves Christians, now that right there is irony.
So if something seems/is overhwelming we give up? Don't bother trying?
You can say I'm wasting my time or whatever, but I would rather try than sit idly by and do nothing at all.
I could sit here too Frank, just like you and hate everyone who isn't like me, or doesn't follow my point of view, but no thanks.
There's no law prohibiting you from hating Muslims, and if it makes you feel better, than by all means, fill your boots.
The irony is that I'm not Christian, I'm not anything when it comes to religion and yet I probably have more love and compassion in my heart towards my fellow man than many of you who call yourselves Christians, now that right there is irony.
Yes, when our troops get shot-up by a Muslim who had NO business whatsoever being anywhere around our honorable soldiers or weapons, I get a little heated.
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I don't post in the GD area any more as it was getting too "partisan" for me.
Actually, I have not even visited the Forum for some time until I leased a Taurus SHO and noticed a thread on that vehicle.
Not to wander too far, I took a look at the other recent posts this evening and ran across this one.
I think that Habibi's remarks are the closest to the mark I have seen in a long time.
As to the video posted by the OP, I am sorry, but in my opinion that is a very poorly done hatchet job with very bad editing.
Bill
Actually, I have not even visited the Forum for some time until I leased a Taurus SHO and noticed a thread on that vehicle.
Not to wander too far, I took a look at the other recent posts this evening and ran across this one.
I think that Habibi's remarks are the closest to the mark I have seen in a long time.
As to the video posted by the OP, I am sorry, but in my opinion that is a very poorly done hatchet job with very bad editing.
Bill
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I PM'ed you after a very heated religious debate as I am a gentleman, to tell you that if I became heated and over reacted, please don't take it personally.
I'm not ashamed of sending you that note, in fact I believe it was the mature and responsible thing to do.
You bringing this up now only serves to show what a complete and utter lack of charactor you posses.
Why you would even mention this is beyond my understanding.
Sorry I wasted my time trying to discuss anything with you, I won't make the same mistake again.
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His point was about taking things out of context. Your need to explain the context of the text in his example proves his point. He posted it out of it's context and you put it back in context. The context itself does not have to match exactly to make the point.
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There are many mistakes we can make when posting public messages, but I do believe if I've learned anything, I learned this one thing well. The worst mistake we can ever make is to post in a public message text we received confidentially in a private message. I might add, without obtaining the sender's consent first. Then again, maybe that's just old fashioned, and the public opinion on this has changed over the years.
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You can go ahead and copy and paste anything you want Frank, I don't deny nor am I ashamed of anything I wrote.
I PM'ed you after a very heated religious debate as I am a gentleman, to tell you that if I became heated and over reacted, please don't take it personally.
I'm not ashamed of sending you that note, in fact I believe it was the mature and responsible thing to do.
You bringing this up now only serves to show what a complete and utter lack of charactor you posses.
Why you would even mention this is beyond my understanding.
Sorry I wasted my time trying to discuss anything with you, I won't make the same mistake again.
I PM'ed you after a very heated religious debate as I am a gentleman, to tell you that if I became heated and over reacted, please don't take it personally.
I'm not ashamed of sending you that note, in fact I believe it was the mature and responsible thing to do.
You bringing this up now only serves to show what a complete and utter lack of charactor you posses.
Why you would even mention this is beyond my understanding.
Sorry I wasted my time trying to discuss anything with you, I won't make the same mistake again.
Insulting someone in public, then privately apologizing. I need not say more.