What about the CONSTITUTION?????
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Campus Watch-Liberal bias in colleges bleeds into classroom
Balanced education?
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Why do so many conservative parents send their children to these colleges and often subsidize their tuition when so many undermine their beliefs and values? Stories are legion of young people who are sent to these schools and emerge with a far different worldview from when they entered.
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X2!
And the Bush Bashers insist we must continue to follow this path into oblivion, because Bush signed the Patriot Act.
I have young children now. In 30 years, I anticipate we will have conversations such as the following:
DBD's Children: "Daddy, what was it like to live in a free America? I was too young to remember..."
And, "Daddy, why couldn't you preserve more of the freedoms your father left to you for us and our childen?"
And my eye's will well with tears, as I weep for the long lost country I grew up in.
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Speaking of a balanced college education, though, Tom, would one receive one at say, Oral Roberts or at Liberty? Don't think so, Tom.
I was referring to the curriculum taught in public high schools, not those where students choose to go--colleges, private parochial schools, etc. You may choose to go there; you may also choose to leave, as well.
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Where do the teachers who teach in the public schools get their education? The article that I posted a link to concludes that college students are more likely to be influenced by one mind set, by a large margine, over another mind set. Many of us believe that public sector employees are more likely to carry on this mind set than private sector employees.
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All due respect Tim, but I wasn't trying to start an argument. I believe that our education systems are an aspect of the propensity to view the Constitution as an antiquated document written by rich, white men.
Where do the teachers who teach in the public schools get their education? The article that I posted a link to concludes that college students are more likely to be influenced by one mind set, by a large margine, over another mind set. Many of us believe that public sector employees are more likely to carry on this mind set than private sector employees.
Where do the teachers who teach in the public schools get their education? The article that I posted a link to concludes that college students are more likely to be influenced by one mind set, by a large margine, over another mind set. Many of us believe that public sector employees are more likely to carry on this mind set than private sector employees.
If what you say is true, than all of us who were "brain-washed" at liberal arts colleges etc, and who should be doing the "brain-washing"---well, it isn't working out the way you say it is, is it? For quite some time, until lately, Ohio had a conservative Republican governor as well as two conservative Republican US senators; "W" won twice---we didn't "brain-wash" enough people (or perhaps we really DID teach people TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES).
If this is as influential as you claim, the liberal Dems should be winning in run-away races,; but that hasn't been happening, so I really do not buy your logic (nor the article's) about liberal colleges. It appears to be fear-mongering to me. The results of elections should be terribly skewed if this were actually true...but that is not the case.
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Interesting point here---but I think you are incorrect---at least from my point of view---an educator's, that is. Heck, even I teach it, and I teach English! I know that the SS dept at my school is heavy into it. I also understand that there are questions dealing about it, its history, and recent rulings on the Ohio Graduation Test. So, in quite a few schools all over Ohio, (at least), it is taught, discussed, and debated. Be careful to make assertions that you know little about, or have beliefs that are not factual.
When was the last time you wre in a classroom, Frank? Did you know that a teacher's lesson plans are,in effect, public documents, and that you can request to view them? If your taxes are supporting the schools, why not take the time to see exactly what is being taught, how it is being taught, and who is teachng it it, rather than leaving it to conjecture?
Cripes, Frank, my students had to write research papers about it, and debate parts of it. We even researched John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, and the Declaration of Independence. If you take a look at the SS curriculum for the state of Ohio, you will see the US Constitution at its core.
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When was the last time you wre in a classroom, Frank? Did you know that a teacher's lesson plans are,in effect, public documents, and that you can request to view them? If your taxes are supporting the schools, why not take the time to see exactly what is being taught, how it is being taught, and who is teachng it it, rather than leaving it to conjecture?
Cripes, Frank, my students had to write research papers about it, and debate parts of it. We even researched John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, and the Declaration of Independence. If you take a look at the SS curriculum for the state of Ohio, you will see the US Constitution at its core.
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Most public school graduates believe we are a democracy and we are not. We are a representative republic.
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If what you say is true, than all of us who were "brain-washed" at liberal arts colleges etc, and who should be doing the "brain-washing"---well, it isn't working out the way you say it is, is it? For quite some time, until lately, Ohio had a conservative Republican governor as well as two conservative Republican US senators; "W" won twice---we didn't "brain-wash" enough people (or perhaps we really DID teach people TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES).
If this is as influential as you claim, the liberal Dems should be winning in run-away races,; but that hasn't been happening, so I really do not buy your logic (nor the article's) about liberal colleges. It appears to be fear-mongering to me. The results of elections should be terribly skewed if this were actually true...but that is not the case.
Tim C.
If this is as influential as you claim, the liberal Dems should be winning in run-away races,; but that hasn't been happening, so I really do not buy your logic (nor the article's) about liberal colleges. It appears to be fear-mongering to me. The results of elections should be terribly skewed if this were actually true...but that is not the case.
Tim C.
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Yeah Liberal Arts Degree/College MEANS they give you a general education not direct such as a Vocational School.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal..._United_States
You see Liberal in Practice and Liberal in politics are two different things.
I believe Conservative in Government and Liberal in life. Why? Because in Government, you are not spending your money.
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It means nothing after 200+ years of freedom killing law after law stacked on top.
Where is that list of the countries that have more freedoms that the U.S. when you need it....................I think we are about 30 on the list or so.....
Where is that list of the countries that have more freedoms that the U.S. when you need it....................I think we are about 30 on the list or so.....
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It still means something, I just think people need to put up more of a fight. As far as more freedoms then we have? I dunno. I do know I cant think of another country I'd rather live.
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I'm glad that there are a few people who are paying enough attention to debate this topic. I realize that I'm bringing this up on a F150 enthusiast web site, but you are all my peers. I want to discuss these things with people who are similar to me. I don't expect everyone to agree with my opinions. I do believe that the more people who are involved in debating topics like this one, that I too believe gets to the core of the problems in this country, that we are headed in the right direction. There are still WAY too many people out there with thier heads in the sand. We need to get more people involved in the preservation of our country. Talking about it is a start.